[FoRK] Re: An armed society... (freakin' Canada.)

Ian Andrew Bell <hello at ianbell.com> on Thu Sep 20 08:36:27 PDT 2007

The economic advantages of using robots don't play out when your  
labour cost is $100/mo.  I would suggest that the US is sliding  
towards China (amnesty for underpaid lower-caste immigrants from  
Mehico to fuel the U.S. stubbornly clinging to the notion it's a  
manufacturing nation) rather than the other way around.  Japan only  
got into robotics when their labour costs climbed as the economy  

"Harness Natural Resources" is an oxymoron.  We must learn to live  
within ecosystems, rather than attempting to control or replace  
them.  And if American society is our shining beacon of the benefits  
of human intelligence then we're all in trouble.

~165,000 people die EVERY DAY of hunger on this planet.  How can  
anyone describe it as a land of plenty?


On 19-Sep-07, at 8:07 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

> And we aren't even in the "robotic age" yet.  You all realize I  
> think that whoever wins the AI/robotic technology race will not  
> only have unlimited power in general but also dominate all  
> manufacturing, agriculture, and at least some kinds of services.   
> Hopefully that will be the US+EU+friendlies.  It's certainly not  
> going to be backwater religious Luddites.  If they think they've  
> been sidetracked, outpaced, and left in the stone age now, just wait.
> China had better make a play to get modern quickly because it may  
> or may not make sense to put those robotic factories there when  
> they could just as well be in the American Rockies or desert or  
> North Dakota or whatever.  Once you subtract labor, even nearly  
> free labor, the equation changes completely, again.
> World of Plenty indeed.  We're only limited now by the manual  
> effort and human intelligence needed to harness natural resources.   
> That's a temporary issue.
> sdw
> Tom Higgins wrote:
>> On 9/19/07, Kevin Elliott <k-elliott at wiu.edu> wrote:
>>> I think "World of Plenty" is a much better description of our world
>>> today than "World of Scarcity".
>> It is an amazing thought to ponder that a few hundred years ago  
>> most of us
>> would be serfs sucking up to the local masa and bowing knee to god  
>> and king
>> while only a percentage of the populace got educated.
>> Oh wait..isnt that now as well?
>> I keed I keed, well almost.
>> It is a Land Of Plenty when a good chunk of one nation's kids (I  
>> speak of
>> the US since thats the one I know best) are given the opportunity  
>> to an
>> education many would have killed for 100 years ago but instead opt  
>> to "ya
>> know just hang and stuff, don't be such a downer about homework  
>> and stuff"
>> We have passed Plenty here and are well into the Land Of  
>> Squanderous Plenty
>> -tom
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