[FoRK] Google age-discrimination suit

Sat N <sateesh.narahari at gmail.com> on Sat Oct 6 17:43:56 PDT 2007

Hard to believe, isn't the guy leading Google itself a pretty old guy?.

On 10/6/07, Rohit Khare (RR) <rifroad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey, it's rare that I'd cross-post from IP, but this is too
> fascinating... Hope they don't settle-n-seal; I'd like to learn more,
> and think the public interest would be served by more debate here
> (c.f. Zuckerberg's under-30 or paul g's 'no-parents' rules)
> --Rohit
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Farber <dfarber at cs.cmu.edu>
> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:33:51 -0400
> Subject: [IP] 'Old guy' gets another chance in Google age-discrimination suit
> To: ip at v2.listbox.com
> Gosh, Brian was a student when I met him. Old indeed. Maybe what
> bothered Google is that he knew what had been tried in the past and
> why it worked or failed. Makes it hard to re-invent, djf
> Begin forwarded message:
> From: Ari Ollikainen <Ari at OLTECO.com>
> Date: October 5, 2007 2:49:24 PM EDT
> To: dave at farber.net
> Subject: 'Old guy' gets another chance in Google age-discrimination suit
>         For IP...
> 'Old guy' gets another chance in Google age-discrimination suit
> Bob Egelko, Chronicle Staff Writer
> Friday, October 5, 2007
> (10-04) 19:28 PDT San Jose -- A state appeals court reinstated a
> fired manager's age-discrimination suit against Google Inc. on
> Thursday, saying a jury should hear his evidence that a supervisor
> told him that his ideas were "too old to matter" and that the giant
> search engine company gave its older employees lower ratings and
> lesser bonuses.
> The Sixth District Court of Appeal in San Jose overturned a Santa
> Clara County judge's dismissal of a damage suit by Brian Reid, who
> was hired by the Mountain View firm in 2002 as director of operations
> and director of engineering. He was demoted in October 2003 and fired
> in February 2004, at age 54.
> According to published reports, the firing cost Reid not only his
> salary of $200,000 a year but also stock options worth as much as $10
> million.
> Reid, a former electrical engineering professor at Stanford, was
> given a glowing review by Google's vice president of engineering in
> his only written evaluation. But the same executive, Wayne Rosing,
> told Reid when he was fired that he was not a "cultural fit" for the
> company, the court said.
> Rosing was three years older than Reid. But another of his
> supervisors, Urs Hoelzle, who was 15 years younger than Reid, told
> him that his opinions and ideas were obsolete and "too old to
> matter," and that he was sluggish and lethargic, the court said. Some
> colleagues referred to him as an "old guy" and "fuddy-duddy."
> Hoelzle and a younger employee took over Reid's responsibilities when
> he was demoted in October 2003 to become head of a new company
> program with no budget or staff, the court said. Company co-founder
> Larry Page made the decision to fire Reid, his suit said. Page was
> nearly 31 at the time.
> As part of the lawsuit, Reid presented a statistician's study of
> employees and managers in his department at Google that found older
> employees consistently received lower evaluations than their younger
> colleagues, and older managers got bonuses that were 29 percent less
> than those awarded to managers who were 10 years younger.
> The court said those arguments, cited by Superior Court Judge William
> Elfving in his dismissal of the suit, involved factual disputes that
> must be resolved by a jury.
> E-mail Bob Egelko at begelko at sfchronicle.com.
> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/10/05/BA51SKDL3.DTL
>         The comments on this story are instructive:
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article/comments/view?f=/c/a/2007/10/05/
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