[FoRK] Baseline for calling out the issue

[Lion Kimbro]

On Dec 2, 2007 5:42 PM, Jeff Bone <jbone at place.org> wrote:
> > ...Yeah, those advocating for adopting a harsher stance towards
> > religion and the religious, those are the bad guys.  Sure.
>
> BTW, Lion, yes, that indeed is a MORAL assessment.  Since you seem to
> want one.

  Yeah, I did want it.  And I appreciate that.

  I don't yet understand how we'll frame morality naturalistically,
  but I know that people are working on it, and I trust they'll find
  answers.  The starting point seems to be that there is a psychological
  reality, though.  Convergent evolution may help that answer form
  as well.

  I *do* believe that there are higher and lower states of morality,
  but I don't know how it all works really.  Regardless.


> Not to put too fine a point on it, I think you've got your
> "outrage" completely misdirected.

  I think that's true, too!

  The thing is, I don't know what to do.

  I'm trying to share a story about evolutionary spirituality,
  the world as I've come to see it.

  I am a "convert."  It is clear to me that this is the better way;
  That this is the zeitgeist.  The writing isn't just on the walls, it's
  being broadcast in the theaters.

  I'd like to share what I see.

  Instead, my time is sucked up arguing with Tom & Jeff,
  a complete misdirection of energy.

  Elias advised me to "just ask smart questions," (with levity,
  on top!), but ... ...asking questions in response to what you
  two are saying -- that seems more fit for dismantling a
  position, rather than showing a different perspective.

  I feel in a bit of a bind on how to share what I see.

  But I agree with your criticism:  my energies are misdirected,
  talking with you and Tom.