[FoRK] Re: Please Help

[Lion Kimbro]

On Dec 4, 2007 4:26 PM, Jeff Bone <jbone at place.org> wrote:
> Actually, I'm going to take the bait.
>
> Lion, here's the way I see it.  Despite (or because of) the massive
> free-flowing torrent of explication you've provided, here's all I've
> managed to extract about what you are "promoting."  It is either:
>
>    (a) precisely What the Bleep in every way that matters, despite
> your protestations to the contrary

  Well, I need some explanation then.

  What is "the way that matters," and how am I offending it.


>    (b) an epic act of [removed] "re-ologism" - a grandiose
> linguistic wank of no value, a pointless cipher

  Okay, I don't understand that at all.

  "Of no value..."  =^_^=

  This is what I am referring to, when I say that
  subjective reality is de-valued or ignored.

  It *DOES* matter.
  I think you just **fear** it, and want to make it all go away.

  Wishful thinking.


>    (c) a delusion-fueled, messianic recruitment attempt

  Interesting!

  I do admit that I have sincere hopes for evolutionary
  spirituality, as a project, and I think it will play a big
  role in helping the world.

  I don't want to live in a world where people act like
  robots, or avoid meaningful life stories, in the interest
  of security, for fear of violating the memetic police,
  trying to keep humanity in the Equilibrium.


>    (d) truly the output of some bizarre pathology

  Uh, ...   Okaaaay, ...


>    (e) some hybrid of the above
>
> There's no real way this is what you claim, i.e. an attempt to test
> out some idea in the crucible of intelligent conversation.  In any
> case, either of no value or negative value to me and, I would guess,
> a lot of the folks here.

  Well, you may have found no value in this.

  I have.
  My valuable take-away has been this:

  Atheists and Technologists:

  * feel resonance, when it comes to honoring nature
  * confuse this with "What the Bleep"
  * confuse this with a power grab -- they see popes, ministries,
    thoughtlessness
  * want to see how this contributes to people really
    understanding and valuing science as science,
    not just icons of science
  * really do think that the subjective is worthless

  I have personally gained clarity on a number of the arguments
  that arise, and thus on my own thoughts.  I understand my
  own thoughts better whenever I leave an argument.


  It's sad to me that you didn't get anything out of this.

  I hope this will seed something for you -- a respect for the
  emotional, the subjective, the alive.


  May your objective and subjective realities be healthy,
    Lion  {:)}=