Confession Re: [FoRK] "Peace and Love"

Sat N <sateesh.narahari at gmail.com> on Fri Dec 21 07:57:23 PST 2007

Let me assure you that hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia is not a problem
here. The real problem is gratuitous use, bordering on 'bullshitological'


On Dec 20, 2007 10:33 PM, Jeff Bone <jbone at place.org> wrote:

>
> On Dec 20, 2007, at 8:44 PM, Sat N wrote:
>
> > Here is a word of the day for you:
> >
> > Intellectualization [1]
> >
> > [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectualization
>
> Just to carve things up into little Sat-sized pieces:
>
> My objection to Dr. Ernie's equating my attempt at reasoning from
> observation with his *beliefs* is "epistemological" in nature ---
> they are fundamentally different processes, regardless of how
> desperately he, you, or any other "apologist" for faith might wish
> those processes weren't different.
>
> The ontological problem is a problems are many, but among others the
> issue I'm objecting to is the assumption that his *conclusions* have
> the same basis in reality as mine, *given* different assumptions.
> I.e., he can happily skip past anyone's utilitarian reasoning around
> existential risks since he doesn't have to admit that rational,
> statistical extrapolation from observation has a different status
> from foregone conclusions extrapolated from faith.
>
> Now, I realize I've thrown a bunch of jargon at you here, but just to
> review:
>
>   - epistemology is about how we know what we know;  it's the heart
> of the argument against faith
>   - ontology is about the metaphysical status, i.e. (non-)existence
> or reality of, the subject of consideration
>   - existential risk:  you "faith" fuckers are going to blow up the
> fucking planet, get it?
>   - ...and you whistle past the graveyard because your learning
> mechanism is fucked, see?
>
> ...and that irritates me just a little bit.
>
> Okay, that's your lesson for today.  Now go back to playing Robin to
> Dr. Ernie's Caped Crusader. It's awfully cute.
>
>
> jb
>
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