[FoRK] materialism

Lucas Gonze <lucas.gonze at gmail.com> on Sat Dec 29 11:04:49 PST 2007

On Dec 29, 2007 12:58 PM, Stephen D. Williams <sdw at lig.net> wrote:
> I think I've seen alternatives with a similar rationale.  The only
> problem with "materialist"/"materialism" is confusion with
> "materialistic" in an average mind.

Yeah, I've had that problem already.  And that confusion goes to the
Christian theology about rejecting the physical world as inferior to
the mystical one.  The person who thought I was saying that I am
materialistic used it as a synonym for hedonism.


> sdw
> Lucas Gonze wrote:
> > Lately I have stopped saying that I am an atheist.  Instead I am
> > saying that I am a materialist.
> >
> > I like this because it rejects all kinds of mysticism, not just the
> > mega religions.  This is good because private beliefs in informal
> > magic are more common among my peers than active belief in
> > Christianity, Judaism, or Islam.
> >
> > It's a positive statement of what I believe, as opposed to a void of
> > what I don't believe, and it's easy to explain: I believe in the real
> > world.  I believe that the world in front of us is really there.  I
> > don't believe in anything which contradicts the real world.  I believe
> > in things which can be investigated.
> >
> > It takes control of the terms of the conversation.  "Atheism" is like
> > satanism in that it accepts religion as the baseline.  But satanism
> > has no meaning outside of Christianity, while atheism is a rejection
> > of all mysticism and is the same thing in any context.  Not-Islamic
> > atheism is the same thing as not-Judaic atheism.
> >
> > Sorry to continue the endless conversation on religion and atheism,
> > which I think most people here want to leave behind.  I didn't
> > participate much at the time, and this is the result of thinking about
> > it for a while.
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