[FoRK] materialism

Lucas Gonze <lucas.gonze at gmail.com> on Sat Dec 29 11:15:02 PST 2007

Hi Dr. Ernie,

> I appreciate the attempt to frame things in a positive light.  Could
> you perhaps elaborate a bit more?  For example, do you also consider
> belief in things like "love" and "beauty" aspects of mysticism? Or do
> you have a way to define so-called "transcendent" values in material
> terms?

I see love and beauty as arising from the natural world.  Anything
real fits in just fine.

The material world is fantastically complex and subtle.  Our
difficulties with quantifying things like love and beauty are
artifacts of our own evolution.  They are our limitations, not the
world's.

-L


On Dec 29, 2007 1:05 PM, Dr. Ernie Prabhakar
<drernie at radicalcentrism.org> wrote:
> Hi Lucas,
>
> On Dec 29, 2007, at 9:13 AM, Lucas Gonze wrote:
>
> > Lately I have stopped saying that I am an atheist.  Instead I am
> > saying that I am a materialist.
>
> Cool!
>
> > I like this because it rejects all kinds of mysticism, not just the
> > mega religions.  This is good because private beliefs in informal
> > magic are more common among my peers than active belief in
> > Christianity, Judaism, or Islam.
>
> I appreciate the attempt to frame things in a positive light.  Could
> you perhaps elaborate a bit more?  For example, do you also consider
> belief in things like "love" and "beauty" aspects of mysticism? Or do
> you have a way to define so-called "transcendent" values in material
> terms?
>
> -- Ernie P.
>
> >
> >
> > It's a positive statement of what I believe, as opposed to a void of
> > what I don't believe, and it's easy to explain: I believe in the real
> > world.  I believe that the world in front of us is really there.  I
> > don't believe in anything which contradicts the real world.  I believe
> > in things which can be investigated.
> >
> > It takes control of the terms of the conversation.  "Atheism" is like
> > satanism in that it accepts religion as the baseline.  But satanism
> > has no meaning outside of Christianity, while atheism is a rejection
> > of all mysticism and is the same thing in any context.  Not-Islamic
> > atheism is the same thing as not-Judaic atheism.
> >
> > Sorry to continue the endless conversation on religion and atheism,
> > which I think most people here want to leave behind.  I didn't
> > participate much at the time, and this is the result of thinking about
> > it for a while.
>
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