[FoRK] i8n question

Lucas Gonze <lucas.gonze at gmail.com> on Tue Mar 4 20:46:26 PST 2008

IP geotargetting is pretty much the state of art, I am sorry to say.
Few sites care about the HTTP and HTML features

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Stephen D. Williams <sdw at lig.net> wrote:
> True.  I think I may have mentioned before irritation with getting a
>  particular version of a web site while traveling in Europe.  I believe I
>  kept getting the French version of something major, including only
>  France-local information, when I wanted my "normal" US version of the
>  information.  I was using my normal, unmodified laptop and web browser.
>  They were keying what information was shown completely from my IP
>  address.  That's just wrong on so many levels...
>
>  sdw
>
>
>
>  Lucas Gonze wrote:
>  > Good stuff, Steve.  Thanks for taking the trouble.
>  >
>  > Any chance you know of communities focused on web
>  > internationalization?  There must be a gang somewhere which follows
>  > stuff like Accept-Language penetration data.
>  >
>  > I'm working on localizing http://mediaplayer.yahoo.com and finding it
>  > really challenging to do this well.  It's inspiring to get to work on
>  > such basic aspects of a web app.  On the other hand, it doesn't feel
>  > like web developers take this seriously.  Mainly apps are written for
>  > a single locality, with some nods to nearby localities thrown in.  For
>  > example, a site in German will have a version translated into English
>  > that you can get to by clicking on an American flag in the banner.
>  >
>  > My impression is that what's worldwide about the web is the protocols.
>  >  The content lives in separate pools depending on the language,
>  > culture, and ecommerce limitations.
>  >
>  > On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Steve Nordquist <saigua at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>  >
>  >> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:49:55 -0600, Lucas Gonze <lucas.gonze at gmail.com>
>  >>  wrote:
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  > Any localizations experts hereabouts?
>  >>  >
>  >>  > I need to figure out how common it is for users to set their language
>  >>  > preference in the browser, so that the Accept-Language request header
>  >>  > is accurate.  Can anybody suggest a resource or angle to get an
>  >>  > answer?
>  >>
>  >>  Hakon Lie answered that here ca. 2000, (less so W.R.T. Asia at the time; I
>  >>  think I saw a bit about that in interviews in Next Generation (now online
>  >>  only; and a subscription triweekly broadsheet promises such stuff) but you
>  >>  can probably find the answer from a structured query to the current Opera
>  >>  CTOs (probably in an Opera Community blog.  Amazon used to share such
>  >>  metrics; now I guess you'd ask LiveJournal (etc.; that, there's a chart
>  >>   from Le Monde last week (
>  >>  http://www.lemonde.fr/web/infog/0,47-0@2-651865,54-999097@51-999297,0.html
>  >>  ...ValleyWag?  I clicked Citez and it crashed Kestrel here...) to cover.)
>  >>  Oops, I'm told I live in Siberia for citing Livejournal instead of Orkut.
>  >>  Gotta go smoke an Elk now....
>  >>
>  >>  iirc Koreans and Denmarkers were solid on accurate Accept-Language, and
>  >>  it's likely in Southeast Asia (Australia less so) but Welsh-only speakers
>  >>  in Wales were only doing it 50% of the time and English-America and
>  >>  English were fighting like pantsuits and pantsuits with cuffs (so, 25% of
>  >>  people being fickle, often.)
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