[FoRK] How Barack lost my vote forever

Jeff Bone <jbone at place.org> on Wed Apr 23 12:14:37 PDT 2008

I'm with you on the desperate desire to vote *against* the Republicans.

OTOH, I'm not sure that's a valid reason to vote for a Socialist, as  
opposed to a Democrat.

And OTOOH, I'm not sure McCain really counts as a Republican.  He  
certainly didn't before right-wing media's attempt to manipulate their  
own primary backfired through collateral damage and left McCain the  
only man standing.


On Apr 23, 2008, at 1:00 PM, Stephen Williams wrote:
> Anyway, although I believe McCain is a lot more rational, I cannot  
> vote for the party of theocrats.
> As far as the economy, in the last 15-20 years or so, it has seemed  
> a lot better off during Democratic administration periods than  
> Republican...  Correlation, causation, blah blah.  Still.
> Either Democrat is fine.  McCain is, and maybe always was,  
> compromised.  The whole party, and many of their constituent groups,  
> are in shambles.  The best thing for them is to lose so they can  
> clean house and skip on to the next generation.  We're still dealing  
> with guys who sharpened axes in the 70's there.  Are you kidding me?
> I'd prefer Barack / Clinton (w/ Clinton 2 on backup / Carter  
> mode ;-) ).  She's not going to turn it down.  It is her clear path  
> to the presidency.
> sdw
> Jeff Bone wrote:
>> On Apr 23, 2008, at 10:05 AM, Luis Villa wrote:
>>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Jeff Bone <jbone at place.org> wrote:
>>>> On Apr 23, 2008, at 3:23 AM, Stephen Williams wrote:
>>>>> Oh. Come. On. I know you are not that closed minded. No  
>>>>> politician is
>>>> going to pitch socialism in the US. Or try to kill the stock  
>>>> market.
>>>> Well, clearly, I disagree.
>>>> Generally speaking the man's a cipher --- by design, I assume.
>>> Just because Hillary says he's a cipher, and the press is too lazy  
>>> to
>>> correct that (see, e.g., http://dave.ofmassdestruction.com/?p=946 )
>>> doesn't mean he's a cipher:
>> You're right.  I should have said that at best, he's a cipher.  At  
>> worst, where his policies are clear they are often objectionable  
>> IMHO.
>> jb
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