[FoRK] How Barack lost my vote forever

Jeff Bone <jbone at place.org> on Wed Apr 23 13:18:56 PDT 2008

On Apr 23, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Luis Villa wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Jeff Bone <jbone at place.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'm with you on the desperate desire to vote *against* the  
>> Republicans.
>>
>> OTOH, I'm not sure that's a valid reason to vote for a Socialist, as
>> opposed to a Democrat.
>
> I still think you're crazy

Come on now, who do you, who do you, who do you, who do you think you  
are,
Ha ha ha bless your soul
You really think you're in control

Well, I think you're crazy
I think you're crazy
I think you're crazy
Just like me

(or something...)

>> And OTOOH, I'm not sure McCain really counts as a Republican.  He  
>> certainly
>> didn't before right-wing media's attempt to manipulate their own  
>> primary
>> backfired through collateral damage and left McCain the only man  
>> standing.
>
> You mean, besides campaigning for Bush repeatedly, voting for the war,
> and for the torture, and for the spending, and stocking his campaign
> bus with lobbyists?

Contrast McCain 2000 with what you're describing, or McCain 2002  
(McCain-Feingold) or McCain's stance on waterboarding.

The man's just been paying his dues and prepping for his '08 run.   
He's a politician.  They've all got warts.

I'm not going to try to sell you on McCain, I'm not sold myself in  
general (only vs. Obama, and then it's a tradeoff) --- I just think  
you're giving him just as big a shellacking as you think I'm giving  
Obama by calling him a socialist.  But here's the words right from the  
horse's mouth:

"MR. GIBSON: And in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues  
from the tax increased. The government took in more money. And in the  
1980s, when the tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went  
down. So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100  
million people in this country own stock and would be affected?"

"SENATOR OBAMA: Well, Charlie, what I’ve said is that I would look at  
raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness. We saw an  
article today which showed that the top 50 hedge fund managers made  
$29 billion last year — $29 billion for 50 individuals. And part of  
what has happened is that those who are able to work the stock market  
and amass huge fortunes on capital gains are paying a lower tax rate  
than their secretaries. That’s not fair."

Socialism.  You may quibble, but I think this comprises an entry-level  
definition of the attitude, if not the full program.


jb



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