[FoRK] Challenge for McCain critics

Paul Jimenez pj at place.org
Sat Aug 30 21:31:42 PDT 2008

Jeff Bone wrote:
> On Aug 29, 2008, at 8:33 PM, Paul Jimenez wrote:
>> Jeff Bone wrote:
>>> On Aug 28, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Luis Villa wrote:
>>>> as late as
>>>> 2000 he could have had his pick of any pragmatic realist in DC of
>>>> either party to head up his foreign policy operation. McCain was the
>>>> maverick, remember? He- more than any person in Congress- had the
>>>> credibility on foreign policy to choose whatever route he wanted to
>>>> take. And he choose this route.
>>> I will admit that this is a mystery to me.  I feel that he has come 
>>> to believe that he cannot take the office --- will not be allowed to 
>>> by the cabal that controls the GOP  --- unless he gives lip service 
>>> various party lines.
>> This is the scenario I tried to articulate - that he won't be allowed 
>> to take office by the GOP unless he adheres to the party line enough 
>> that he's not different enough from Bush on the big issues of the war 
>> and economy to matter.
> Once he takes office it hardly matters.  There's winning the election, 
> then governing.  And in neither of our lifetimes has the correlation 
> between those things been particularly strong for any national elected 
> official.

You think he can get into the White House without the GOP having any 
strings left on him to pull?  Really? 

>> I'm more sanguine about the Obama having good advisors to keep any of 
>> the possible super-marxist ideas he has in check.  If you're allowed 
>> to think McCain will buck his GOP-party-line advisors when in office, 
>> I'm allowed to think that Obama will pay attention to his.
> It's not a matter of being allowed;  it's a matter of likelihood and 
> eventual reality.  We'll see how it pans out.  Or have you opted out 
> of the "reality-based community" now, too?

Oh, I'm all too aware that we collectively will have to live with the 
outcomes of choices that even smart, well-informed people disagree 
about.  As I said a bit earlier, I take great solace in the fact that 
"this too shall pass".


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