[FoRK] Welcome Back Kotter

geege schuman geege4 at gmail.com
Mon Nov 10 11:09:50 PST 2008


Because "no more waterboarding" is an executive order, and the Chief
Executive is still George W. Bush.  Are you seriously wondering where Obama
stands on torture?

Geesh.

On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 1:21 AM, <owen at permafrost.net> wrote:

> It took them 2 frigging days to have a well thought out platform including
> national service, all sorts of new taxes, tons and tons of stuff. How much
> effort would it have been to put in
> "no more waterboarding"
> or
> "we renounce torture"
>
> Meet the new boss...
> Owen
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 12:04:17PM -0800, Lucas Gonze wrote:
> > ?
> >
> > Dude, 2 days.  2 friggin days.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 4:23 AM,  <owen at permafrost.net> wrote:
> > > I hate to switch so quickly, but when I look at change.gov 2 days it
> makes me
> > > think JB was right after all. I see nothing about
> > >
> > > - closing Gitmo
> > > - ending torture
> > > - ending rendition
> > > - ending illegal surveillance
> > > - protecting the constitution
> > > - reducing militarism
> > >
> > > In fact I see mostly the same language of "choose security over
> freedom"
> > > that Bush exploited so much, but with the added bonuses of higher taxes
> and
> > > protectionism.
> > >
> > > It makes me think that it's a truism that governments always get worse,
> never
> > > better.
> > > Owen
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 05:52:45PM -0800, Tom Higgins wrote:
> > >> "Only Satan would have been worse than the Bush regime. Therefore it
> > >> could be argued that the new administration in the USA could never be
> > >> worse than the one which divorced the hearts and minds of Americans
> > >> from their brothers in the international community, which appalled the
> > >> rest of the world with shock and awe tactics that included
> > >> concentration camps, torture, mass murder and utter disrespect for
> > >> international law. Yet in choosing Obama, the people of America have
> > >> opted to come back into the international fold. Welcome back,
> > >> friends!"
> > >>
> > >> http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/106660-changebetter-0
> > >>
> > >> -tom(Obama=Socialist confirmed:))higgins
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