[FoRK] Darn it, who brought up religion again?? Re: Bullish on Facebook

Lucas Gonze lucas.gonze at gmail.com
Sat Apr 25 00:25:24 PDT 2009


Belonging to a church as a tribe is a pretty convincing case to me.
Tribes are worth a lot. Unfortunately the god thing is a deal breaker.

Philosophy of death is a way cool thing to study, sdw.  Sounds like a
worthy mentor.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Stephen Williams <sdw at lig.net> wrote:
> Yes, I realized this at 12-13 or so.  And then I realized that that was a
> poor reason to feign belief.  Not that I could make much of a big deal of it
> then.  But I did avoid wasting time and resources from then on, pretty much.
>  Not that my first wife, who's father had been a kind of lay minister for a
> bit, didn't drag me to church for a while until she realized it was futile.
>
> My best friend's dad was a retired professor of philosophy, especially
> philosophy of death, so they were more or less an atheist family.  I just
> tried to politely ignore everyone else.  And I felt, and was, left out for
> other reasons already.  Luckily, the opportunity to "belong" felt tainted
> enough to me that I turned away from the "light".
>
> Now a days, it's easy to find friends of all stripes, so that's not much of
> an excuse.  At least for us no-strong-family-American-mutt kind of people.
>
> sdw
>
> HK Pang wrote:
>>
>> on the other hand, if most of your friends go to church, you feel a
>> little left out...
>> seems to me that for some people, religion is just another social network.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Stephen Williams <sdw at lig.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Lucas Gonze wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:53 AM, J. Andrew Rogers
>>>> <andrew at ceruleansystems.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Most atheists have beliefs that are every bit as religious in
>>>>> construction
>>>>> as those who believe the supposed musings of a Bronze age philosopher
>>>>> are
>>>>> the inerrant word of (a) God.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure there are some atheists for whom that's true.  But as a whole
>>>> atheism is too simple and straightforward to leave room for that kind
>>>> of speculation.
>>>>
>>>> It's easy: there's no god.
>>>>
>>>> Where's the religion
>>>>
>>>
>>> 10% net pay bump.  Free time on Sundays (and Saturdays (and every day at
>>> prayer time)).  No conflicted, confused fear / guilt / inferiority /
>>> superiority / anti-science personality contamination.  No confusion about
>>> basic things like love, sex, food, business...
>>>
>>> Ah, sweet freedom.  Freedom from religion.  Freedom to make your self
>>> really
>>> useful, instead of a fake, Religion Inc. serving "purpose".
>>>
>>> "Religious in construction"?  I don't think so, not for many anyway.  But
>>> more importantly, it is not religious in practice.  The path to reality
>>> enlightenment is less important than reaching it.
>>>
>>> sdw
>>>
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