[FoRK] ...as opposed to Feedlot Kids?

Christopher Herot cherot at herot.com
Mon Apr 27 10:13:53 PDT 2009


What changed since the 60’s was the rise of Fox News and the “if it bleeds it leads” business model.  That and the pictures of missing children on milk cartons, even though the vast majority of the kids were missing as a result of custody battles.  Actual crime has been in steady decline, although surveys show that the people most concerned about crime live in the areas where they are least exposed to it.




From: fork-bounces at xent.com [mailto:fork-bounces at xent.com] On Behalf Of geege schuman
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:46 PM
To: Friends of Rohit Khare
Subject: Re: [FoRK] ...as opposed to Feedlot Kids?


What's changed since the 60's? Fear of child predators, more actual
predators? I attended Catholic school and therefore used city buses
(instead of school buses). I and my school chums had to transfer buses
downtown. Between transfers we used to trawl to pre-mall downtown, which
in our racist neck of the south had always been considered by my public
school peers as "dangerous."

That fear is as strong as ever today and our downtown is struggling to
gentrify and develop a city center. Good luck with that, J-ville. Most
kids are chaufered to and from their after-school sports / piano lessons.
They develop the problem-solving skills of self-transport at a much later
age; for most, when they given their first car and Garvin.



On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Stephen Williams <sdw at lig.net <mailto:sdw at lig.net%3e> > wrote:

> Aaron Burt wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 04:22:53PM -0700, Marty Halvorson wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> I often wonder how kids today are ever going to learn to cope with
>>> life's many trials and disappointments.
>> I often wonder how kids who were raised to look after themselves can fit
>> into a society shaped by and for kids who weren't.
>> Heck, since the 80s, it has seriously hampered your ability to relate to
>> strangers if you're not familiar with current TV programming.
>> Kids who are too busy "playing outside" -- exploring, having fun with
>> friends, tinkering, and earning pocket money -- won't have a lot of time
>> to groom their online social-network, play video games, chat or engage
>> in other modern indoor computer-mediated social activities.
>> I'd imagine that they'd be treated as nerds, people who understand and
>> care about weird offline stuff and do things most folks wouldn't trust
>> themselves to do. Probably, they'd be regarded as unemotional 'cos they
>> just don't react to like, MAJOR things, dude.
> I was handicapped / privileged like that. Almost no TV before 16. Read
> most books in the library, but also was outside probably more than anyone
> else in the city, running or mowing or painting or something the whole time.
> As I was running a few days ago, I realized that some of these years I
> commute, driving, less miles than I used to run every year (3000+). Some of
> my kids have chosen the social seeking route, some not. All of them had
> plenty of exploring time.
> I was socially weak for quite a while, and still have some echoes of it. I
> managed pretty well, although I would have done much better had I picked up
> better skills. The other stuff paid off in every other way however.
> I have some ideas about solving the social / relationship skills gap,
> although mainly thinking of adults at this point. Is anyone interested in
> that kind of venture?
>> I guess that's how it's always been - most folks find the biggest social
>> game, fit in and try to play it, some folks care about other stuff.
>> ObNerd: Kage Baker has a lot of fun with these themes in her Company
>> novels, as resourceful wine-drinking meat-eating folks of the past
>> interact with neurotic vegan teetotaller milquetoasts of the future.
> That's a valid contrast sometimes. Also valid sometimes: comparing
> practically dead-at-40, ignorant, narrow minded (racist etc.), sometimes
> abusive / abusee, sexually confused people of yesteryear with super healthy,
> well-informed / educated, metropolitan (or whatever you want to call it),
> and variously well-rounded people of the present.
> sdw
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