[FoRK] ...as opposed to Feedlot Kids?

Damien Morton dmorton at bitfurnace.com
Tue Apr 28 01:09:24 PDT 2009

If we cant parachute naked 5-year olds into foreign countries and have
them fight their way home, what's the fucking point?

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Simon Dann <simon at photogabble.co.uk> wrote:
> that sounds like a pretty healthy childhood to be honest. my parents only
> began to worry if we where late for meals. I remember being five or six and
> regularly wandering between 2 and 3 miles from home with friends either
> walking or on bikes, then we moved into the country and about two miles walk
> down the road there was a huge (about 80m high at a 45-55deg angle) sand
> bank next to a rarely used country road which we had huge amounts of fun
> climbing up and using as a rather dangerous slide (by causing
> mini-landslides and riding them). At around 13 or 14 my dad began taking me
> out on longer and longer bike rides and eventually I began doing them on my
> own to the point that one time I ended up 10 miles from home with only a
> rough idea of how to get back. good memories, only significant time when my
> parents became worried was when I was out on my bike past dark and then that
> was only because I didn't have a torch.
> I have friends who's parents only rule (at 16-17) was they needed be back by
> dark or they slept in the bushes, I used to have one friend stay round my
> house a couple of nights a week because we went to town and wouldn't get
> back until late. my parents where pretty awesome in comparison.
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:43 AM, Stephen D. Williams <sdw at lig.net> wrote:
>> From 4-12, I lived in a city of 100K in Indiana.  I would frequently range
>> miles away to downtown, plopping down in a Frisch's Big Boy, where my father
>> would take us sometimes, to have a pop.  Then investigate some stores or
>> libraries, and wander back home close to dark.  When I was 5.
>> I don't think my parents actually knew where I went.  As far as I know,
>> they thought I stayed on the same block, or the next one over with a park.
>>  Other than the skull fracture and later being knocked out for 3 days, both
>> of which happened because of my outdoor energy within a block of home, I
>> don't remember any significant events.
>> sdw
>> Damien Morton wrote:
>>> When I was 5, growing up in Scheveningham, The Hague, my friends and I
>>> would ride our bikes for miles in every direction. We pretty much all
>>> lived on the same street and were in and out of each others houses all
>>> the time, sleeping over, having dinner, playing in each others yards.
>>> I don't remember there being any limits to where we could and couldn't
>>> go. I cant imagine living with those limits.
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Corinna Schultz
>>> <corinna.schultz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Just this morning I was talking to my 8yo daughter about walking to a
>>>> friend's house. She didn't know where her friend lived, so I told her
>>>> to find out, so we could see if it was close enough for her to walk.
>>>> My main concern was her being able to navigate and find her way home
>>>> if the friend lived in an unfamiliar neighborhood.  In the course of
>>>> our discussion, she mentioned another girl she knows who is 7 or 8,
>>>> and lives probably .25 mi from school, straight down the street. This
>>>> girl isn't allowed to walk to school by herself. She can walk halfway
>>>> at most. She's been told that she'll be able to walk alone when she's
>>>> in 5th grade. This is a fairly quiet neighborhood, so safety really
>>>> isn't an issue.
>>>> To be fair, this child has a hearing problem and wears an aid. She
>>>> also gets teased, though I don't think there has been any bullying. So
>>>> perhaps her parents have some concerns relating to this, and think
>>>> she's not old enough to handle any problems that may arise.
>>>> But still... to not be allowed to walk down a straight street for .25
>>>> mi to get to school?
>>>> When we moved here, I printed a google map for my kids, with the route
>>>> between home and school clearly marked (and my cell phone number
>>>> written at the bottom). It involved a fair number of turns, and
>>>> required her to look at the street signs, and pay attention to cross
>>>> several roads. I walked with her a few times, to build her confidence
>>>> and show her how the map corresponded to the streets. My kids walked
>>>> together at first, but when she was still 7, she was walking home
>>>> alone sometimes. In the back of my mind I worried that someone would
>>>> harrass me for allowing my kids that freedom, but it hasn't been an
>>>> issue.
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