[FoRK] Stand up and face the future

Jeff Bone jbone at place.org
Wed Dec 23 04:10:10 PST 2009

Ken says:

> So my $0.02 is that instead of changing the definition of what a  
> mine is, just drop it and talk about sifting.

Often, the math is the same in "mining" and "sifting" --- it's just a  
matter of how you feed and store the data.  (Often the math *isn't*  
the same, but that's a different story.)

So no, I'm not particularly a "semantics" glosser;  but in this case,  
there's inadequate precision in the terminology already, to the point  
that the distinction is useless...


On Dec 22, 2009, at 9:44 PM, Jeff Bone wrote:

> Ken says:
>> But you can't "mine" in realtime. Mining requires a pre-existing  
>> source of accumulated data. Or it's not mining. By definition.
> Ah, glasshoppah...  ;-)
> Cf.  "online learning."  As opposed to "supervised..."
> My caveat (already stipulated) is that while it's true that today,  
> for the most part, the two are clearly separable activities, this is  
> already becoming a blurry distinction about the edges --- and will  
> become even moreso.
> It's true that the notion of "mining" is useless without some  
> historical corpus to work against, but the distinction between that  
> historical corpus and the stream of things coming in in real time is  
> increasingly meaningless.  I.e., you can pick any definitions you  
> want, but I can tell you from recent and relevant experience that  
> the definitions you are asserting above are arbitrary and not very  
> durable.
> $0.02,
> jb
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Jeff Bone wrote:
>> Stephen says:
>>> Mining, sifting, and real-time do not go together. At least not in  
>>> the traditional forms.
>> With the caveat that mining and sifting / reacting in realtime are  
>> (today) different activities, I have to point at the existence  
>> proof (what I do for a living these days) as contrary to this point  
>> of view.  And that activity and its general form are going to  
>> become even more prevalent outside the domain I operate in as we  
>> realize an Internet of Things.  (It's already the case that this  
>> happens elsewhere;  in the UK to a large extent and in the US to a  
>> much lesser extent realtime face recognition over public camera  
>> networks occurs already today...)
>> qed,
>> jb

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