[FoRK] Whither BEEP? Re: HTTP 0.2, 9p, and op
sdw at lig.net
Thu Dec 24 12:19:35 PST 2009
Dr. Ernie Prabhakar wrote:
> Hi all,
> On Dec 24, 2009, at 10:39 AM, Stephen Williams wrote:
>> Anything sane in a general sense must be async, pipelined, channelized lightweight message oriented with end to end flow control and adaptive rate handling.
>> HTTP-like messages over BEEP or AMQP would be fine.
> Just out of curiosity -- does anyone know why BEEP doesn't seem to have taken off? It seems more general and lighter than, say, XMPP, and on alternate weeks I agree with you that it makes more sense than abusing HTTP.
I know all kinds of details about when it came out, but basically it is
a mystery to me why others didn't layer on BEEP. I conversed with
Marshall Rose when he released it. I was part of the IETF working group
on presence/IM, which ended up having three spinoffs who couldn't
reconcile: XMPP, SIMPLE (SIP), and I think a BEEP-based proposal (BXXP
at the time, a little too clever). Even though I went on to Jabber.com,
Inc. for a while, I thought that XMPP had some basic errors that should
have been fixed. And I was wanting to do what AMQP is doing now. With
the same or better efficiencies since I had just come from AOL
However, most people wouldn't listen, didn't get it.
> Yet (other than my homie Xgrid :-) I'm not really aware of anything "interesting" built using BEEP, nor does it appear to be gaining momentum.
It is a good reference design. Needs better libraries and some killer
app. I've used it in projects.
> Any theories?
> -- Ernie P.
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