[FoRK] Money and Campaigns Re: My sentiments exactly...

Marc Erickson marcerickson at gmail.com
Sun Jan 24 23:01:38 PST 2010


As someone said on this list a few days ago, I'm a cynic.  I have faith that
our monkey natures are able to defeat any intelligent - or not - plains
thought up by our civilized brains.  :-(


Marc

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:11 PM, John Parsons <bullwinklemouth at yahoo.ca>wrote:

> The impression I get is that the impediment(s) to direct democracy is (are)
> social as opposed to technological. This also assumes that there are no
> paradigms in present or contemplated applications (i.e for instance: social
> networking) that could reduce, eliminate or compensate for whatever aspects
> of voter aberration that are contra-indicated.
>
> So, if what is left is social, then we (the public) are accepting that the
> majority of voters (at least in any given situation) are incapable (or can
> be simply rendered so) of making a rational decision, or, that the
> collective will of the voter is too variable and situational for the
> necessary continuity of Progress (however and whatever we deem that to be).
> We are also accepting that we intrinsically have elitist values (justifiable
> as they may be), in that our representative's thoughts and will, can and
> should hold sway over all.
>
> I don't expressly mean to make it sound patronizing and paternalistic, but
> I will suggest (discussion only, I have no agenda) that it at least sounds
> like an immature model. Just as a child or a new worker can be developed
> into an autonomous state, does it not hold that a society should be
> similarly capable (or at least aspire to be)?
>
> Cheers
> John
>
>
> --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Marc Erickson <marcerickson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Marc Erickson <marcerickson at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [FoRK] Money and Campaigns Re: My sentiments exactly...
> To: "Friends of Rohit Khare" <fork at xent.com>
> Received: Monday, January 25, 2010, 2:14 AM
>
> The problem with direct representation is that humans don't always know
> what's best for society, best in the long run, or will take pain to their
> interests for the benefit of others.  Most humans are selfish (I'm in that
> group) and won't go against what's best for them very often, if at all.
> And
> the fear is of people voting themselves bread and circuses until the bill
> comes due - and then a collapse.
>
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
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