[FoRK] Science, Magic, and Religion, was: Re: Absolutely shocking... Ray Comfort manages a (mostly) sane answer?
sdw at lig.net
Fri Apr 9 19:16:22 PDT 2010
On 4/9/10 12:24 PM, Jeff Bone wrote:
> 10. Imagine, for a moment, a world where religion never existed, for whatever reason. Its citizens go about their lives having never heard of any religion. In your mind, what would the world be like -- worse, better? Why?
> [Ray's supposed answer: ] I think that a world without religion would be a much better world. Imagine no 911. Imagine no terror-threats from Islam. No suicide bombs. Imagine no pedophile priests or money-hungry televangelists. Imagine no Roman Catholic Crusades against innocent people or torturous Inquisitions against those who denied their religion. Imagine no religious nuts carrying signs at soldiers funerals saying that it’s good that they died or that “God hates fags.” Imagine no religious hypocrisy, and no trail of human blood down through history through the mass of religious wars. No witch burnings, no hindrances to science . . . imagine.
> Man has always used religion for his own political or economic gain. Hitler did it. America does it. Iran does it. The Pharisees in the time of Christ did it.
> Religion is a very grimy and murky bathwater, and those who don’t look carefully can easily miss the baby. A world without religion…how wonderful that would be. May God hasten the day.
However, it was probably necessary to get to the modern mindset from the
millennia of dreck we had to get through one way or another.
The class referenced below is excellent. I've been listening to it
while I program some image matching algorithms. She makes the point
that it was the co-opting of various forms of logic, mysticism, and
philosophy (natural and otherwise), along with monotheism itself, that
supported the path from antiquity to modern scientific thinking.
I've not seen this covered in this way anywhere. Very interesting in
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seen as magical. The course also question how Western cosmologies became
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