[FoRK] The bee sting theory of poverty

Stephen D. Williams sdw at lig.net
Mon Jun 28 19:52:40 PDT 2010

On 6/28/10 6:58 PM, Jeff Bone wrote:
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 20:21, "Stephen D. Williams" <sdw at lig.net> wrote:
>> On 6/28/10 10:25 AM, Jeff Bone wrote:
>>> I've mentioned Karelis' book before in conjunction with the 
>>> assertion that it's easy to demonstrate the fallacy of diminishing 
>>> marginal utility and to illustrate the existence of *different kinds 
>>> of utility.*  It appears that this somewhat fringe little book is 
>>> gaining some popular attention.
>>> http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/03/30/the_sting_of_poverty/?page=full 
>>> I just hope that folks see the flaw;  Karelis fails to connect his 
>>> premises and intermediate conclusions, with which I agree with 
>>> completely and find beautiful and elegant (even if he is even less 
>>> quantitative than Keynes)
>> Which do you agree with completely?
> Old post, go fish.

Don't remember? ;-)
>>> with his ultimate conclusions apropos policy implications, with 
>>> which I almost completely disagree.
>> The conclusion that people need a baseline of living conditions to 
>> get in a rational and productive frame of mind seems reasonable.
> Until you start attempting to define baseline or come up with 
> practical mechanisms, then it becomes nonsense.

Exercise for the reader.  Or are you declaring it impossible to define?
I've already outlined a lot of elements and don't wish to be redundant.
How about, relative to Karelis' book: Enough of a baseline to resolve 
people's "problems"?
Seems like these should be a good start:

    * Clean, safe, & functional living space
    * Food
    * Basic business and exercise acceptable clothing
    * Health care
    * An education past high school
    * Internet
    * Outdoor play / exercise space (parks, trails, sidewalks)

> jb 


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