[FoRK] Outlook Is Awful

Jeffrey Kay jeff at jeffreykay.com
Fri Apr 1 11:28:18 PDT 2011

Okay,  I knew you would hammer me for this.  I don't work on Outlook, so
don't blame me.  Inline, Outlook-style, below ...

--- jeff | jeff at jeffreykay.com | www.jeffreykay.com (blog) |
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-----Original Message-----
From: fork-bounces at xent.com [mailto:fork-bounces at xent.com] On Behalf Of
Stephen Williams
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 10:11 AM
To: fork at xent.com
Subject: [FoRK] Outlook Is Awful

X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

Exhibit 1: Inability to do proper inline display and quoting.  Outlook is
blown out of the water by Thunderbird (and others).  
Pathetic, non-professional level crap.

[jbk] There's actually a setting in Outlook that makes quoting work properly
for plain text messages, but almost all of the e-mail I get these days is
HTML and that looks terrible when quoted.  And I'm not in the habit of
converting all incoming messages to text.  So I opt for the [jbk] prefix for
my replies, which looks fine with a different font in virtually all of the
mail I reply to.  BTW, I thought Thunderbird was effectively dead at this
point.  I haven't tracked it in a while (I used to use it) --- is it still
being updated?

Exhibit 2: windows-1255?  Really?  On MacOS+Thunderbird, this results in a
bizarro font where upper case letters are a couple point sizes taller than
other characters.  Annoying.  Has Microsoft heard of Unicode?

[jbk] Everything Microsoft builds is Unicode.  Windows-1255 is the encoding
used because of the Hebrew text in my signature block.  

Exhibit 3: base64 for a simple text message?  Really?  Can't spring for
quotable text?  Maybe it's Mailman's fault:

X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by xent.com id

[jbk] Seems likely that's the case. 

In any case, Microsoft fail...

[jbk] IDK --- I actually like Outlook at this point :-) It's not perfect,
but nothing is ...


On 4/1/11 9:59 AM, Jeffrey Kay wrote:
> Inline below ...
> --- jeff | jeff at jeffreykay.com | www.jeffreykay.com (blog) | 
> www.kayslens.com (photos) | kosherhog (twitter) | i'm a pc | החזיר כשר
> On 3/31/11 5:43 PM, Jeffrey Kay wrote:
>> I wasn't so much throwing dirt (full disclosure to others that don't 
>> know
>> --- I work on Windows Phone at Microsoft) --- just interested in 
>> knowing
> I don't think he was referring to you dissing the Goog.
> And good luck with that.  ;-)
> [jbk] Thanks :-)  This is by far the best stuff I've worked on since 
> joining MSFT 6 years ago (passed that milestone on Monday the 28th).  
> But it's a long road from here.


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