[FoRK] Trumped!

Damien Morton dmorton at bitfurnace.com
Wed Apr 27 22:18:42 PDT 2011

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On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 9:56 PM, geege schuman <geege4 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ah, JAR, I suggest you subscribe to Newsmax to discover what Republicans are
> reading, believing and disseminating.
> On Apr 27, 2011 7:51 PM, "J. Andrew Rogers" <andrew at ceruleansystems.com>
> wrote:
>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Stephen Williams wrote:
>>> Republicans will always own this, at least all of them that are on the
> record supporting the issue. The rest are tainted by it. A simple graph of
> when facts were known (during the campaign) compared to various instances
> public comments were made will reveal that they were in one of two modes:
> cluelessness or mendacity.
>> To the extent this issue even rises to the level of notice, Trump owns it.
> He made by far the biggest impression and also the last one. Most people
> simply do not care in the way you do. The majority of Americans do not waste
> any time on the spittle-flecked blogs of either the left-wing or right-wing.
>> Hell, to be perfectly honest, *I* don't care either. The only reason it is
> interesting at all is that Trump has turned it into an amusing media game.
>>> 50% of Republicans polled are birthers. One would think the other 50% are
> rolling their eyes and wondering whether they're supporting the right crowd.
>> You ascribe undue importance to the existence of birthers (or 9/11
> Truthers). Most people overlook the nutters in their midst lest their own
> nuttery be judged. For all of these party-biased beliefs there is always a
> smaller but significant fraction of people in the other party that share
> that belief.
>>>From where I am sitting 95% of the population, equally split between
> Democrats and Republicans, routinely espouse nutty beliefs. People are
> comfortable with nutty beliefs; there is no anti-nutty-belief party.
>>> Weak? I don't see it.
>> EvoPsych 101.
>>>> The Republicans have their Birthers and the Democrats have their 9/11
> Truthers (40%!?). The conspiracy nutters will always be with us with their
> conspiracy du jour and they are legion.
>>> What Democrat has publicly questioned 9/11? What reputable Democrat? I
> don't think it is even a tiny fraction of the birther thing.
>> There's a bunch of them. The right pointed them out and mocked them in the
> same way the left does in the other direction. Needless to say, if you
> consume left-wing media you probably are not exposed to it, same as if you
> only consume right-wing media. They each have their own heavily distorted
> versions of reality that their subscribers believe to be an approximation of
> "objective".
>> I don't consume much media so I only get the highlight reel from both
> sides in bits and pieces, which is probably pretty close to the way the
> majority of Americans experience it.
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