[FoRK] <nettime> Privacy, Moglen, @ioerror, #rp12

Stephen Williams sdw at lig.net
Sun May 20 22:52:35 PDT 2012

Our cloud services are getting more sophisticated and commodity oriented.  At some level of sophistication, apps, services, and 
structured communication can be organized in a persistent way in the cloud while being intermittently communicated with via 
end-clients.  It doesn't necessarily take building something just like Facebook to get equivalent functionality.

Doing something just like what you suggest below is possible, as are a number of other ways to slice and dice it.


On 5/20/12 9:00 AM, Damien Morton wrote:
> I was thinking about this a little further.
> If we ignore desktops for the time being, and think primarily about
> handhelds, what if the always-on cloud-app-space was just
> a virtualised instance of your handheld OS that is bonded to your actual
> handheld OS. Think about being able to fire up a process, and decide
> whether it will exist on the handheld or in the cloud.
> You would install an app on to your handheld's 'desktop', and each app
> would consist of a hand-side component and/or an always-on cloud-side
> component.
> Your distributed facebook-like social agent would have a heavier weight
> cloud-side component, responsible for
> storing/gathering/disseminating/curating your social connections. In this
> case, the cloud-side component would essentially be a webserver and
> database.
> Now, there is no particular reason why the cloud-side environment should
> have the same OS as the hand-side environment, except that it simplifies
> programming issues, and provides a relatively seamless transition from
> hand-side to cloud-side.
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Damien Morton<dmorton at bitfurnace.com>wrote:
>> In my opinion, there is a fundamental problem with decentralising social
>> media.
>> What is needed is for everyone to have some always-on compute and storage
>> space, which is as easy to use as their mobile and desktop devices, and
>> ideally is pretty much transparent in use - your 'apps' in the cloud should
>> probably appear to you the same as an app on your desktop or handset, and
>>   maybe every OS instance should come with a cloud-based companion.
>> Once every computer and/or person has a always-on cloud-app-space, having
>> a distributed, encrypted facebook becomes as easy as making a facebook-like
>> app available for download and installation.
>> The fundamental issue is of maintaining these 'apps' in the cloud. If you
>> delegate maintenance to the app developer, you pretty much also have to
>> delegate data access rights.
>> The other issue is economic - no-one has any incentive to create this vast
>> cloudy compute and storage space for free, and given that a distributed
>> system will tend to be less efficient than a centralised system.
>> We have Apple and Microsoft providing cloudspaces to their OS users, but
>> they arent providing general purpose compute/storage nodes quite yet.
>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Stephen Williams<sdw at lig.net>  wrote:
>>> I agree that this is what has been happening.
>>> Having a proper model and providing needed value, especially content and
>>> cloud services, while being open and flexible on the neophyte / expert
>>> self-hoster spectrum, is possible and desirable.  At a certain point, with
>>> certain features, it becomes necessary.  Although slightly improved lately,
>>> all social media is still shallow.  I think I know what the solution looks
>>> like.  Now, back to coding.
>>> Stephen

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