[FoRK] Fwd: Rand Paul: Obama Just Banned 1 Million Firearms

Damien Morton dmorton at bitfurnace.com
Mon Aug 6 23:55:04 PDT 2012

Obviously, Martin Wills, you have elected not to engage in any further
discussion about your Spartan theory of civics. At the same time, you
have probably not decided to accept my sort-of apology, Not a problem.

Tomorrow,  I will, as politely as is possible, attempt to completely
destroy your world view.

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Damien Morton <dmorton at bitfurnace.com> wrote:
> Is there some way we can talk about your position that only members of
> the armed forces should be citizens and vote?
> Obviously some will agree and some will disagree, but surely any
> discussion will involve having questions asked of you?
> I mean, you put the opinion out there on a public mailing list, whose
> purpose is discussion, so your position can hardly be considered
> private.This list can be a bit roughhouse sometimes, and I have been
> on the receiving end of flames myself.
> In our our first exchange, I was drunk and belligerent, and that
> surely got us off on the wrong foot. I regret that my first writing
> might be preventing us having further discussion.
> I hope you will reconsider you willingness to debate these issues.
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 12:38 PM,  <mdw at martinwills.com> wrote:
>> Does asking stupid questions make you feel less stupid?  How about a
>> stupid question that is worded so it makes the other person think that you
>> are less stupid?  How about comments from others commenting on the
>> stupidness of your question.. Does it make you feel more or less stupid?
>> Quit playing word games and think. That is what supposedly makes you
>> different from the other organisms on this planet.
>> --Martin--
>>> The <timeless and inerrant> constitution, "Dont f_ck with it", does
>>> that include the amendments?
>>> Does amending the constitution constitute "f_cking with it"?
>>> Isn't swearing allegiance pretty much the same as swearing to uphold?
>>> If not, can anyone swear to uphold the constitution, or does it have
>>> to be within the context of some government sponsored lethal force
>>> organisation? Is being a member of a government sponsored lethal force
>>> organisation the only way to uphold the constitution?
>>> Why does a willingness to kill and be killed (in harms way), make
>>> someone a more worthy citizen? What if you were in the armed services,
>>> but never left, e.g. the Pentagon - does that mean you were in harm's
>>> way?
>>> What if you were willing to be in harm's way, but there wasn't an
>>> opportune war to go to, does that count?
>>> What about your military/paramilitary sisters, do they count?
>>> Can you talk a little more about how, in your service, you have
>>> personally contributed to upholding the constitution? Like, were there
>>> any specific actions you took that resulted in the constitution being
>>> more upheld, versus less upheld if you hadn't taken that action?
>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:52 AM,  <mdw at martinwills.com> wrote:
>>>> A little broader...  Those SWORN to uphold the US Constitution including
>>>> all law enforcement and reserves (active and retired).  I happen to have
>>>> had US Navy, PD, and currently Air Force commitments upholding the
>>>> constitution.  As my past and present brothers would say "Don't F**K
>>>> with
>>>> it!".
>>>> Martin
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:07 AM,  <mdw at martinwills.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Only those people
>>>>>> who have put themselves in harms way to protect the Constitution
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> allowed to change it (enough said on my view).
>>>>> And remember: "Service guarantees citizenship"
>>>>> Does this mean the US needs to be committed to an enduring series of
>>>>> wars to ensure the size of its pool of citizen/veterans?
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