[FoRK] Fwd: Rand Paul: Obama Just Banned 1 Million Firearms

mdw at martinwills.com mdw at martinwills.com
Tue Aug 7 06:35:48 PDT 2012

> I should probably take a few moments to explain what exactly is going
> to happen to you, Martin Willis, you shivering cowardly mass of pig
> vomit.

Not quite and you really shouldn't compare me to your immediate family. 
You don't know me that well.

> When I am done with you, women will see your face and shriek, my god,
> what kind of creature am I looking upon.

It already happens.  Move along, nothing new here.

> These women will then huddle to comfort each other, when confronted
> with the extreme bitterness embodied in your two-faced ruinous
> political philosophy.


> After I am done with you, the psychological scars you bear will be so
> repellent, that children will scream out in fear when they see you.
> They will sing horrible songs about you, and your infamy will rival
> cooties and the boogyeman.

I consider you to be nothing more than 10,000 monkeys typing
simultaneously in the Google cloud and what I see is the result of their
proprietary click algorithms.

> This is my curse, which you will bear from now and in all time, you
> obsequious pile of mastadon turd.

hmmm, is there enough viable DNA left for me to clone?  I could be a 

> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Damien Morton <dmorton at bitfurnace.com>
> wrote:
>> Obviously, Martin Wills, you have elected not to engage in any further
>> discussion about your Spartan theory of civics. At the same time, you
>> have probably not decided to accept my sort-of apology, Not a problem.

Sorry, I have a job (plus as a pilot on call, I was on standby last night
and not near a computer) and kids and a bunch of my guns needed

>> Tomorrow,  I will, as politely as is possible, attempt to completely
>> destroy your world view.

Sorry, I have nearly died half a dozen times in close calls.  My world
view is pretty much set.

>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Damien Morton <dmorton at bitfurnace.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Is there some way we can talk about your position that only members of
>>> the armed forces should be citizens and vote?

My position is my own and I said as much.  I don't particularly like
sharing my things with strangers.

>>> Obviously some will agree and some will disagree, but surely any
>>> discussion will involve having questions asked of you?

Ask away.  I can't spend 24 hours a day in front of a computer, since I
have to make a living.

>>> I mean, you put the opinion out there on a public mailing list, whose
>>> purpose is discussion, so your position can hardly be considered
>>> private.This list can be a bit roughhouse sometimes, and I have been
>>> on the receiving end of flames myself.

Again, I consider everyone on this list to be nothing more than groups of
monkeys typing furiously and the Google cloud translating it.

>>> In our our first exchange, I was drunk and belligerent, and that
>>> surely got us off on the wrong foot. I regret that my first writing
>>> might be preventing us having further discussion.


>>> I hope you will reconsider you willingness to debate these issues.

This email list is not a valid forum for debate.  Never has been, never
can be.

>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 12:38 PM,  <mdw at martinwills.com> wrote:
>>>> Does asking stupid questions make you feel less stupid?  How about a
>>>> stupid question that is worded so it makes the other person think that
>>>> you
>>>> are less stupid?  How about comments from others commenting on the
>>>> stupidness of your question.. Does it make you feel more or less
>>>> stupid?
>>>> Quit playing word games and think. That is what supposedly makes you
>>>> different from the other organisms on this planet.
>>>> --Martin--
>>>>> The <timeless and inerrant> constitution, "Dont f_ck with it", does
>>>>> that include the amendments?

F**King with it means attacking it and deliberately violating it in an
attempt to destroy the country that is defined by it.

>>>>> Does amending the constitution constitute "f_cking with it"?


>>>>> Isn't swearing allegiance pretty much the same as swearing to uphold?
>>>>> If not, can anyone swear to uphold the constitution, or does it have
>>>>> to be within the context of some government sponsored lethal force
>>>>> organisation? Is being a member of a government sponsored lethal
>>>>> force
>>>>> organisation the only way to uphold the constitution?

I don't consider (in my opinion) that allegiance and upholding it are the

My response is the same as Warren Buffet, "If you don't have any skin in
the game...", you probably aren't going to appreciate what you have.

>>>>> Why does a willingness to kill and be killed (in harms way), make
>>>>> someone a more worthy citizen? What if you were in the armed
>>>>> services,
>>>>> but never left, e.g. the Pentagon - does that mean you were in harm's
>>>>> way?

No, I think running into a burning compartment, and dogging the hatch
behind you in order to help fight the fire and save your comrades as a
true measure of ones citizenship.  This is only developed in people who
have gone through some sort of training that develops discipline and team
work. Part of that training is rigid review and purposeful diligence to
paying attention. I have never seen a lawyer, computer hacker, sanitation
worker exhibit these abilities unless they have gone through some sort of
discipline training. This country (U.S.A.) is a team effort, and those
people who are trained to work as a team, approach it as such.  The loners
and/or the arrogant egotists try to tear it down in order to build
themselves up (or they join email lists to try to show everyone else how
much smarter they are. They don't have a life or relationships outside of
their email lists and is the only way to build themselves up). Both of
these character traits are either replaced by learned team work or they
are dismissed as untrainable in a disciplined training environment.

>>>>> What if you were willing to be in harm's way, but there wasn't an
>>>>> opportune war to go to, does that count?
>>>>> What about your military/paramilitary sisters, do they count?
>>>>> Can you talk a little more about how, in your service, you have
>>>>> personally contributed to upholding the constitution? Like, were
>>>>> there
>>>>> any specific actions you took that resulted in the constitution being
>>>>> more upheld, versus less upheld if you hadn't taken that action?

Standing watch on my countries warship, designed to kill enemies foreign
or domestic that may try to destroy my country that is defined by it's
constitution, is honoring my sworn commitment to uphold the constitution.

Arresting an armed felon after racing high-speed through crowded streets
and not pummeling him into a bloody mess, is honoring my sworn commitment
to uphold the constitution (specifically it's 4th, 5th, and 14th

Both of these examples are only possible through discipline and team work.

Any other examples are academic and are left to the reader.

Now let the monkeys begin typing furiously!


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