[FoRK] occupy - deliberative democracy

Damien Morton dmorton at bitfurnace.com
Wed Aug 15 08:10:25 PDT 2012


Well, the proposed system, demarchy, removes money and influence from
the loop, by random selection and possibly, secret votes. Before
selection, you don't know who to try and corrupt, and after selection,
you cant be sure you have been successful. Actually thats not entirely
true - you could try to corrupt an entire deliberative body, but the
chance of being caught would be pretty damned high.

And, the point of increasing the visibility of those who have served
in a demarchy, isnt for them to garner respect, but to ensure that
everyone feels that they could be selected - that a demarchy isn't
some remote statistical process that almost no-one participates in.
Its the governance corollary of the principle that "Not only must
Justice be done; it must also be seen to be done."

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Gary Stock <gstock at nexcerpt.com> wrote:
>
> This used to be called "having respect."  Two things happened:
>
>    1.  Politicians realized they could trade any respect for money.
>    2.  People began to equate "having money" with "having respect."
>
> Now, "having money" is increasingly the goal.  Quantifying is easier.
>
> The success of a new voting/governing process will be determined largely by
> this aspect:  unless and until current ~value~ systems change, violations of
> the public trust will continue to grow.
>
> GS
>
>
>
> On 8/15/12 9:31 AM, Damien Morton wrote:
>>
>> The point is, you want to make
>> sure that people can easily see the people around them who have
>> served.
>
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