[FoRK] Newsroom score: American Taliban

Gregory Alan Bolcer greg at bolcer.org
Wed Aug 29 13:19:26 PDT 2012

I'm with Marty on this.

Just to add (and not intrude on past threads about voting and 
eligibility and martinwills).

So what I hear from this argument is Heinleinism of the right is no 
better than Eugenics of the left.

Gawd, I'm just so under-informed.

I'm going to say it again.  I don't believe in politics, I believe in data.


Robert A. Heinlein
“The America of my time line is a laboratory example of what can happen 
to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies 
throughout all histories. A perfect democracy, a ‘warm body’ democracy 
in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no 
internal feedback for self-correction. It depends solely on the wisdom 
and self-restraint of citizens… which is opposed by the folly and lack 
of self-restraint of other citizens. What is supposed to happen in a 
democracy is that each sovereign citizen will always vote in the public 
interest for the safety and welfare of all. But what does happen is that 
he votes his own self-interest as he sees it… which for the majority 
translates as ‘Bread and Circuses.’

‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for 
which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But 
once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or 
parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when 
the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses 
without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot 
stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its 
weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter 

On 8/29/2012 12:56 PM, Marty Halvorson wrote:
> SDW wrote:
> "will a more accurate vote (poll of the enfranchised) be accomplished
> with or without the new voter ID laws?"
> With voter ID.  As anyone knows, most voters don't have a clue about who
> or what they're voting for.  If a voter ID is required those who want to
> cast a reasoned vote will get an ID.  Those who don't, won't.
> SDW wrote:
> "represents a coordinated series of illegal actions deliberately
> targeting disenfrancisation."
> I seriously doubt that requiring an ID to vote is an illegal act.
> Perhaps you could cite some law?
> Gary Stock wrote:
> "ask for ID in OC -- where dishonest people apparently congregate!"
> And New Mexico.  Only here the Secretary of State (being the person in
> charge of 'honest' voting) investigated and claimed only two cases of
> voter fraud existed.  I personally know more than 3 people who have told
> me they voted illegally.
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