[FoRK] Women With Both High Math and Verbal Ability Appear Less Likely to Choose Science Careers Because Their Dual Skills Confer More Career Options

Reza B'Far (Oracle) reza.bfar at oracle.com
Mon Apr 8 16:21:45 PDT 2013

Don't know... but I think the percentage of women is higher in sales 
related to engineering/sciences than in development of 
engineering/sciences [completely based on experience, I have no data to 
back this up].  So, what I'm saying is that women make more in sales 
than they do in engineering/sciences because everyone (male/female) can 
make more (and probably has more upward mobility long term with less 
risk) in sales than in engineering/sciences.  I would probably guess 
that men and women are equally attracted to higher paying jobs (assuming 
you really are talking about the trade-off between money and other 
things versus just making more money - I mean, who doesn't want to make 
more money?)

On 4/8/13 4:16 PM, Lucas Gonze wrote:
> Do women make more?
> I'm not asking whether women make the same as men in a given job, I'm 
> asking whether women gravitate towards higher paying jobs.
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Reza B'Far (Oracle) 
> <reza.bfar at oracle.com <mailto:reza.bfar at oracle.com>> wrote:
>     Or, may be that being able to understand what smart people do and
>     sell it pays more than building it.  I think sales people or
>     people that sit between engineering/sciences and sales people make
>     a lot more money than the creators... just look at industries like
>     petro-chemicals, pharma, etc.
>     On 4/8/13 3:30 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>         On 4/8/13 2:06 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
>             On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 02:01:27PM -0700, Joseph S.
>             Barrera III wrote:
>                 On 4/8/2013 1:52 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
>                     http://www.news.pitt.edu/women_STEM
>                     Women With Both High Math and Verbal Ability
>                     Appear Less Likely to Choose
>                     Science Careers Because Their Dual Skills Confer
>                     More Career Options
>                 Is this not also true of men who have both high verbal
>                 and math skills?
>             Probably. I would like to see similar studies done on that.
>                 I wonder what careers in particular they choose
>                 instead of science. I
>                 assume they are careers that pay better.
>             Probably.
>         Careers that seem to "pay" better: More prestige, flash,
>         popular imagination, excitement, etc.  Look at sports,
>         musicians, artists: A few make a lot, most are doing something
>         else to make a living, possibly having failed to prepare for
>         another career.
>         The core problem is the perception vs. reality vs. probability
>         gap, coupled with the technology, cultural, and economic
>         trends. People make poor choices.  The government and other
>         organizations make poor choices too, canceling research and
>         development while not otherwise supporting people in those
>         fields who then scatter to some other pursuit, therefore being
>         unavailable when the next need arises.
>                 In that case, why are we trying to convince women to
>                 choose lower paying
>                 careers?
>             Probably because we want to insult their intelligence.
>                 Maybe the problem is actually whether this society (in
>                 particular US
>                 society) values science as it ought to?
>             Indeed. Unfortunately, feedback to that is considerably
>             delayed.
>             And the culprits will lack the mental wherewhithal to make the
>             connection, or, rather, they expect that nobody else will make
>             the connection, in time.
>         sdw
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