[FoRK] Dr. Ron Paul and his pitch concerning the new National ID system.
mdw at martinwills.com
mdw at martinwills.com
Mon Jun 17 06:46:25 PDT 2013
> The argument is IMHO quite bad. Almost every country has a National ID in
> the form of drivers license and/or passport. It is hardly tyrannical.
1) Ron Paul is talking about the U.S. only. We are not every other country.
2) The U.S. political system is two-tiered (enforced by the 10th
Amendment). The individual states have their sovereignty and the Federal
government has it's sovereignty. You have two separate Constitutions
(State, Federal) as well as two separate executive, judicial, and
legislative branches (State, Federal).
The states are solely responsible for driver's licenses. The U.S.
Government is solely responsible for passports. The requirement for a
National ID chips away (as been the subject lately) at the liberties of
state citizens (the 10th amendment).
Until a series of U.S. Supreme Court cases after the 1860's ratification
of the 14th amendment, the U.S. Bill of Rights were not recognized by the
States. As of today the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments of the
U.S. Bill of Rights are enforced upon the states by the U.S. Supreme Court
decisions. The remaining amendments may or MAY NOT be recognized in the
individual states constitutions.
The argument being made is the U.S. Government trying to enforce a
national ID is a tyrannical move since the U.S. Government is overreaching
and trying to chip away at the liberties protected by the 10th Amendment.
The citizens of each state is a citizen of that state. The citizens of
California should not dictate laws that the citizens of South Carolina do
In the issue at hand, several large states through their legislative
representatives with political clout, are trying to push their states
agenda on other states that don't want to have anything to do with it.
That is move towards tyranny (Merriam-Webster dictionary - 'tyranny:a
government in which absolute power is vested in a single ruler') plain and
> The problem isn't a National ID per se, it's surely the particular
> implementation (to me anything with biometric in it is patently bad, among
> other things), so the whole tone of this argument is just terrible.
> For example, a proper national ID is probably a great thing, with suitable
> privacy protections put in place; surely this should be the focus of the
> discussion, instead of whining about "american liberty".
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:57 PM, <mdw at martinwills.com> wrote:
>> >From an email sent to me by Dr. Ron Paul (I already recognize it is a
>> from the right-wing so please don't flame.). Corroborates the recent
>> Guardian article stating that the U.S. Government is now viewing it's
>> citizens as the enemy and they need to prevent their uprising:
>> "The vote on the new National ID system may take place as soon as NEXT
>> Already, Barack Obama's snoop-state insiders at the NSA have a massive
>> database full of BILLIONS of emails, phone records, and Internet usage
>> American citizens.
>> Imagine all of that information being tied to a tamper-proof, National
>> Card with biometric tracking technology that EVERY American is required
>> own and carry.
>> It sounds like something out of George Orwell's 1984.
>> But without your IMMEDIATE action, I'm afraid this Orwellian nightmare
>> will be a harsh reality for every man, woman, and child in America.
>> The battle over a National ID Card set to occur in the U.S. Senate next
>> week is one of the most critical fights we've faced in years.
>> The outcome of this fight could determine whether America turns back
>> toward Liberty - or continues down a slide toward full-scale tyranny.
>> Based on the recent revelations that Barack Obama's National Security
>> Agency (NSA) has been snooping through the emails and phone records of
>> millions of Americans each and every day, I'm convinced a National ID
>> is the statists' crown jewel.
>> You see, the NSA has been gathering audio, video, email, photographic,
>> Internet search usage of Americans who use major providers such as
>> Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Apple, and Yahoo.
>> Their ultimate goal is an America where federal bureaucrats can track
>> every move.
>> And the biometric tracking technology contained within the over 800-page
>> "Immigration Reform" monstrosity would allow them to do just that. "
>> See attached video:
>> FoRK mailing list
> Noon Silk
More information about the FoRK