[FoRK] How Laura Poitras Helped Snowden Spill His Secrets

Eugen Leitl eugen at leitl.org
Wed Aug 21 05:16:12 PDT 2013

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How Laura Poitras Helped Snowden Spill His Secrets


This past January, Laura Poitras received a curious e-mail from an anonymous
stranger requesting her public encryption key. For almost two years, Poitras
had been working on a documentary about surveillance, and she occasionally
received queries from strangers. She replied to this one and sent her public
key — allowing him or her to send an encrypted e-mail that only Poitras could
open, with her private key — but she didn’t think much would come of it.

The stranger responded with instructions for creating an even more secure
system to protect their exchanges. Promising sensitive information, the
stranger told Poitras to select long pass phrases that could withstand a
brute-force attack by networked computers. “Assume that your adversary is
capable of a trillion guesses per second,” the stranger wrote.

Before long, Poitras received an encrypted message that outlined a number of
secret surveillance programs run by the government. She had heard of one of
them but not the others. After describing each program, the stranger wrote
some version of the phrase, “This I can prove.”

Seconds after she decrypted and read the e-mail, Poitras disconnected from
the Internet and removed the message from her computer. “I thought, O.K., if
this is true, my life just changed,” she told me last month. “It was
staggering, what he claimed to know and be able to provide. I just knew that
I had to change everything.”

Poitras remained wary of whoever it was she was communicating with. She
worried especially that a government agent might be trying to trick her into
disclosing information about the people she interviewed for her documentary,
including Julian Assange, the editor of WikiLeaks. “I called him out,”
Poitras recalled. “I said either you have this information and you are taking
huge risks or you are trying to entrap me and the people I know, or you’re

The answers were reassuring but not definitive. Poitras did not know the
stranger’s name, sex, age or employer (C.I.A.? N.S.A.? Pentagon?). In early
June, she finally got the answers. Along with her reporting partner, Glenn
Greenwald, a former lawyer and a columnist for The Guardian, Poitras flew to
Hong Kong and met the N.S.A. contractor Edward J. Snowden, who gave them
thousands of classified documents, setting off a major controversy over the
extent and legality of government surveillance. Poitras was right that, among
other things, her life would never be the same.

Greenwald lives and works in a house surrounded by tropical foliage in a
remote area of Rio de Janeiro. He shares the home with his Brazilian partner
and their 10 dogs and one cat, and the place has the feel of a low-key
fraternity that has been dropped down in the jungle. The kitchen clock is off
by hours, but no one notices; dishes tend to pile up in the sink; the living
room contains a table and a couch and a large TV, an Xbox console and a box
of poker chips and not much else. The refrigerator is not always filled with
fresh vegetables. A family of monkeys occasionally raids the banana trees in
the backyard and engages in shrieking battles with the dogs.

Greenwald does most of his work on a shaded porch, usually dressed in a
T-shirt, surfer shorts and flip-flops. Over the four days I spent there, he
was in perpetual motion, speaking on the phone in Portuguese and English,
rushing out the door to be interviewed in the city below, answering calls and
e-mails from people seeking information about Snowden, tweeting to his
225,000 followers (and conducting intense arguments with a number of them),
then sitting down to write more N.S.A. articles for The Guardian, all while
pleading with his dogs to stay quiet. During one especially fever-pitched
moment, he hollered, “Shut up, everyone,” but they didn’t seem to care.

Amid the chaos, Poitras, an intense-looking woman of 49, sat in a spare
bedroom or at the table in the living room, working in concentrated silence
in front of her multiple computers. Once in a while she would walk over to
the porch to talk with Greenwald about the article he was working on, or he
would sometimes stop what he was doing to look at the latest version of a new
video she was editing about Snowden. They would talk intensely — Greenwald
far louder and more rapid-fire than Poitras — and occasionally break out
laughing at some shared joke or absurd memory. The Snowden story, they both
said, was a battle they were waging together, a fight against powers of
surveillance that they both believe are a threat to fundamental American

Two reporters for The Guardian were in town to assist Greenwald, so some of
our time was spent in the hotel where they were staying along Copacabana
Beach, the toned Brazilians playing volleyball in the sand below lending the
whole thing an added layer of surreality. Poitras has shared the byline on
some of Greenwald’s articles, but for the most part she has preferred to stay
in the background, letting him do the writing and talking. As a result,
Greenwald is the one hailed as either a fearless defender of individual
rights or a nefarious traitor, depending on your perspective. “I keep calling
her the Keyser Soze of the story, because she’s at once completely invisible
and yet ubiquitous,” Greenwald said, referring to the character in “The Usual
Suspects” played by Kevin Spacey, a mastermind masquerading as a nobody.
“She’s been at the center of all of this, and yet no one knows anything about

As dusk fell one evening, I followed Poitras and Greenwald to the newsroom of
O Globo, one of the largest newspapers in Brazil. Greenwald had just
published an article there detailing how the N.S.A. was spying on Brazilian
phone calls and e-mails. The article caused a huge scandal in Brazil, as
similar articles have done in other countries around the world, and Greenwald
was a celebrity in the newsroom. The editor in chief pumped his hand and
asked him to write a regular column; reporters took souvenir pictures with
their cellphones. Poitras filmed some of this, then put her camera down and
looked on. I noted that nobody was paying attention to her, that all eyes
were on Greenwald, and she smiled. “That’s right,” she said. “That’s

Poitras seems to work at blending in, a function more of strategy than of
shyness. She can actually be remarkably forceful when it comes to managing
information. During a conversation in which I began to ask her a few
questions about her personal life, she remarked, “This is like visiting the
dentist.” The thumbnail portrait is this: She was raised in a well-off family
outside Boston, and after high school, she moved to San Francisco to work as
a chef in upscale restaurants. She also took classes at the San Francisco Art
Institute, where she studied under the experimental filmmaker Ernie Gehr. In
1992, she moved to New York and began to make her way in the film world,
while also enrolling in graduate classes in social and political theory at
the New School. Since then she has made five films, most recently “The Oath,”
about the Guantánamo prisoner Salim Hamdan and his brother-in-law back in
Yemen, and has been the recipient of a Peabody Award and a MacArthur award.

On Sept. 11, 2001, Poitras was on the Upper West Side of Manhattan when the
towers were attacked. Like most New Yorkers, in the weeks that followed she
was swept up in both mourning and a feeling of unity. It was a moment, she
said, when “people could have done anything, in a positive sense.” When that
moment led to the pre-emptive invasion of Iraq, she felt that her country had
lost its way. “We always wonder how countries can veer off course,” she said.
“How do people let it happen, how do people sit by during this slipping of
boundaries?” Poitras had no experience in conflict zones, but in June 2004,
she went to Iraq and began documenting the occupation.

Shortly after arriving in Baghdad, she received permission to go to Abu
Ghraib prison to film a visit by members of Baghdad’s City Council. This was
just a few months after photos were published of American soldiers abusing
prisoners there. A prominent Sunni doctor was part of the visiting
delegation, and Poitras shot a remarkable scene of his interaction with
prisoners there, shouting that they were locked up for no good reason.

The doctor, Riyadh al-Adhadh, invited Poitras to his clinic and later allowed
her to report on his life in Baghdad. Her documentary, “My Country, My
Country,” is centered on his family’s travails — the shootings and blackouts
in their neighborhood, the kidnapping of a nephew. The film premiered in
early 2006 and received widespread acclaim, including an Oscar nomination for
best documentary.

Attempting to tell the story of the war’s effect on Iraqi citizens made
Poitras the target of serious — and apparently false — accusations. On Nov.
19, 2004, Iraqi troops, supported by American forces, raided a mosque in the
doctor’s neighborhood of Adhamiya, killing several people inside. The next
day, the neighborhood erupted in violence. Poitras was with the doctor’s
family, and occasionally they would go to the roof of the home to get a sense
of what was going on. On one of those rooftop visits, she was seen by
soldiers from an Oregon National Guard battalion. Shortly after, a group of
insurgents launched an attack that killed one of the Americans. Some soldiers
speculated that Poitras was on the roof because she had advance notice of the
attack and wanted to film it. Their battalion commander, Lt. Col. Daniel
Hendrickson, retired, told me last month that he filed a report about her to
brigade headquarters.

There is no evidence to support this claim. Fighting occurred throughout the
neighborhood that day, so it would have been difficult for any journalist to
not be near the site of an attack. The soldiers who made the allegation told
me that they have no evidence to prove it. Hendrickson told me his brigade
headquarters never got back to him.

For several months after the attack in Adhamiya, Poitras continued to live in
the Green Zone and work as an embedded journalist with the U.S. military. She
has screened her film to a number of military audiences, including at the
U.S. Army War College. An officer who interacted with Poitras in Baghdad,
Maj. Tom Mowle, retired, said Poitras was always filming and it “completely
makes sense” she would film on a violent day. “I think it’s a pretty
ridiculous allegation,” he said.

Although the allegations were without evidence, they may be related to
Poitras’s many detentions and searches. Hendrickson and another soldier told
me that in 2007 — months after she was first detained — investigators from
the Department of Justice’s Joint Terrorism Task Force interviewed them,
inquiring about Poitras’s activities in Baghdad that day. Poitras was never
contacted by those or any other investigators, however. “Iraq forces and the
U.S. military raided a mosque during Friday prayers and killed several
people,” Poitras said. “Violence broke out the next day. I am a documentary
filmmaker and was filming in the neighborhood. Any suggestion I knew about an
attack is false. The U.S. government should investigate who ordered the raid,
not journalists covering the war.”

In June 2006, her tickets on domestic flights were marked “SSSS” — Secondary
Security Screening Selection — which means the bearer faces extra scrutiny
beyond the usual measures. She was detained for the first time at Newark
International Airport before boarding a flight to Israel, where she was
showing her film. On her return flight, she was held for two hours before
being allowed to re-enter the country. The next month, she traveled to Bosnia
to show the film at a festival there. When she flew out of Sarajevo and
landed in Vienna, she was paged on the airport loudspeaker and told to go to
a security desk; from there she was led to a van and driven to another part
of the airport, then taken into a room where luggage was examined.

“They took my bags and checked them,” Poitras said. “They asked me what I was
doing, and I said I was showing a movie in Sarajevo about the Iraq war. And
then I sort of befriended the security guy. I asked what was going on. He
said: ‘You’re flagged. You have a threat score that is off the Richter scale.
You are at 400 out of 400.’ I said, ‘Is this a scoring system that works
throughout all of Europe, or is this an American scoring system?’ He said.
‘No, this is your government that has this and has told us to stop you.’ ”

After 9/11, the U.S. government began compiling a terrorist watch list that
was at one point estimated to contain nearly a million names. There are at
least two subsidiary lists that relate to air travel. The no-fly list
contains the names of tens of thousands of people who are not allowed to fly
into or out of the country. The selectee list, which is larger than the
no-fly list, subjects people to extra airport inspections and questioning.
These lists have been criticized by civil rights groups for being too broad
and arbitrary and for violating the rights of Americans who are on them.

In Vienna, Poitras was eventually cleared to board her connecting flight to
New York, but when she landed at J.F.K., she was met at the gate by two armed
law-enforcement agents and taken to a room for questioning. It is a routine
that has happened so many times since then — on more than 40 occasions — that
she has lost precise count. Initially, she said, the authorities were
interested in the paper she carried, copying her receipts and, once, her
notebook. After she stopped carrying her notes, they focused on her
electronics instead, telling her that if she didn’t answer their questions,
they would confiscate her gear and get their answers that way. On one
occasion, Poitras says, they did seize her computers and cellphones and kept
them for weeks. She was also told that her refusal to answer questions was
itself a suspicious act. Because the interrogations took place at
international boarding crossings, where the government contends that ordinary
constitutional rights do not apply, she was not permitted to have a lawyer

“It’s a total violation,” Poitras said. “That’s how it feels. They are
interested in information that pertains to the work I am doing that’s clearly
private and privileged. It’s an intimidating situation when people with guns
meet you when you get off an airplane.”

Though she has written to members of Congress and has submitted Freedom of
Information Act requests, Poitras has never received any explanation for why
she was put on a watch list. “It’s infuriating that I have to speculate why,”
she said. “When did that universe begin, that people are put on a list and
are never told and are stopped for six years? I have no idea why they did it.
It’s the complete suspension of due process.” She added: “I’ve been told
nothing, I’ve been asked nothing, and I’ve done nothing. It’s like Kafka.
Nobody ever tells you what the accusation is.”

After being detained repeatedly, Poitras began taking steps to protect her
data, asking a traveling companion to carry her laptop, leaving her notebooks
overseas with friends or in safe deposit boxes. She would wipe her computers
and cellphones clean so that there would be nothing for the authorities to
see. Or she encrypted her data, so that law enforcement could not read any
files they might get hold of. These security preparations could take a day or
more before her travels.

It wasn’t just border searches that she had to worry about. Poitras said she
felt that if the government was suspicious enough to interrogate her at
airports, it was also most likely surveilling her e-mail, phone calls and Web
browsing. “I assume that there are National Security Letters on my e-mails,”
she told me, referring to one of the secretive surveillance tools used by the
Department of Justice. A National Security Letter requires its recipients —
in most cases, Internet service providers and phone companies — to provide
customer data without notifying the customers or any other parties. Poitras
suspected (but could not confirm, because her phone company and I.S.P. would
be prohibited from telling her) that the F.B.I. had issued National Security
Letters for her electronic communications.

Once she began working on her surveillance film in 2011, she raised her
digital security to an even higher level. She cut down her use of a
cellphone, which betrays not only who you are calling and when, but your
location at any given point in time. She was careful about e-mailing
sensitive documents or having sensitive conversations on the phone. She began
using software that masked the Web sites she visited. After she was contacted
by Snowden in 2013, she tightened her security yet another notch. In addition
to encrypting any sensitive e-mails, she began using different computers for
editing film, for communicating and for reading sensitive documents (the one
for sensitive documents is air-gapped, meaning it has never been connected to
the Internet).

These precautions might seem paranoid — Poitras describes them as “pretty
extreme” — but the people she has interviewed for her film were targets of
the sort of surveillance and seizure that she fears. William Binney, a former
top N.S.A. official who publicly accused the agency of illegal surveillance,
was at home one morning in 2007 when F.B.I. agents burst in and aimed their
weapons at his wife, his son and himself. Binney was, at the moment the agent
entered his bathroom and pointed a gun at his head, naked in the shower. His
computers, disks and personal records were confiscated and have not yet been
returned. Binney has not been charged with any crime.

Jacob Appelbaum, a privacy activist who was a volunteer with WikiLeaks, has
also been filmed by Poitras. The government issued a secret order to Twitter
for access to Appelbaum’s account data, which became public when Twitter
fought the order. Though the company was forced to hand over the data, it was
allowed to tell Appelbaum. Google and a small I.S.P. that Appelbaum used were
also served with secret orders and fought to alert him. Like Binney,
Appelbaum has not been charged with any crime.

Poitras endured the airport searches for years with little public complaint,
lest her protests generate more suspicion and hostility from the government,
but last year she reached a breaking point. While being interrogated at
Newark after a flight from Britain, she was told she could not take notes. On
the advice of lawyers, Poitras always recorded the names of border agents and
the questions they asked and the material they copied or seized. But at
Newark, an agent threatened to handcuff her if she continued writing. She was
told that she was being barred from writing anything down because she might
use her pen as a weapon.

“Then I asked for crayons,” Poitras recalled, “and he said no to crayons.”

She was taken into another room and interrogated by three agents — one was
behind her, another asked the questions, the third was a supervisor. “It went
on for maybe an hour and a half,” she said. “I was taking notes of their
questions, or trying to, and they yelled at me. I said, ‘Show me the law
where it says I can’t take notes.’ We were in a sense debating what they were
trying to forbid me from doing. They said, ‘We are the ones asking the
questions.’ It was a pretty aggressive, antagonistic encounter.”

Poitras met Greenwald in 2010, when she became interested in his work on
WikiLeaks. In 2011, she went to Rio to film him for her documentary. He was
aware of the searches and asked several times for permission to write about
them. After Newark, she gave him a green light.

“She said, ‘I’ve had it,’ ” Greenwald told me. “Her ability to take notes and
document what was happening was her one sense of agency, to maintain some
degree of control. Documenting is what she does. I think she was feeling that
the one vestige of security and control in this situation had been taken away
from her, without any explanation, just as an arbitrary exercise of power.”

At the time, Greenwald was a writer for Salon. His article, “U.S. Filmmaker
Repeatedly Detained at Border,” was published in April 2012. Shortly after it
was posted, the detentions ceased. Six years of surveillance and harassment,
Poitras hoped, might be coming to an end.

Poitras was not Snowden’s first choice as the person to whom he wanted to
leak thousands of N.S.A. documents. In fact, a month before contacting her,
he reached out to Greenwald, who had written extensively and critically about
the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the erosion of civil liberties in the
wake of 9/11. Snowden anonymously sent him an e-mail saying he had documents
he wanted to share, and followed that up with a step-by-step guide on how to
encrypt communications, which Greenwald ignored. Snowden then sent a link to
an encryption video, also to no avail.

“It’s really annoying and complicated, the encryption software,” Greenwald
said as we sat on his porch during a tropical drizzle. “He kept harassing me,
but at some point he just got frustrated, so he went to Laura.”

Snowden had read Greenwald’s article about Poitras’s troubles at U.S.
airports and knew she was making a film about the government’s surveillance
programs; he had also seen a short documentary about the N.S.A. that she made
for The New York Times Op-Docs. He figured that she would understand the
programs he wanted to leak about and would know how to communicate in a
secure way.

By late winter, Poitras decided that the stranger with whom she was
communicating was credible. There were none of the provocations that she
would expect from a government agent — no requests for information about the
people she was in touch with, no questions about what she was working on.
Snowden told her early on that she would need to work with someone else, and
that she should reach out to Greenwald. She was unaware that Snowden had
already tried to contact Greenwald, and Greenwald would not realize until he
met Snowden in Hong Kong that this was the person who had contacted him more
than six months earlier.

There were surprises for everyone in these exchanges — including Snowden, who
answered questions that I submitted to him through Poitras. In response to a
question about when he realized he could trust Poitras, he wrote: “We came to
a point in the verification and vetting process where I discovered Laura was
more suspicious of me than I was of her, and I’m famously paranoid.” When I
asked him about Greenwald’s initial silence in response to his requests and
instructions for encrypted communications, Snowden replied: “I know
journalists are busy and had assumed being taken seriously would be a
challenge, especially given the paucity of detail I could initially offer. At
the same time, this is 2013, and [he is] a journalist who regularly reported
on the concentration and excess of state power. I was surprised to realize
that there were people in news organizations who didn’t recognize any
unencrypted message sent over the Internet is being delivered to every
intelligence service in the world.”

In April, Poitras e-mailed Greenwald to say they needed to speak face to
face. Greenwald happened to be in the United States, speaking at a conference
in a suburb of New York City, and the two met in the lobby of his hotel. “She
was very cautious,” Greenwald recalled. “She insisted that I not take my
cellphone, because of this ability the government has to remotely listen to
cellphones even when they are turned off. She had printed off the e-mails,
and I remember reading the e-mails and felt intuitively that this was real.
The passion and thought behind what Snowden — who we didn’t know was Snowden
at the time — was saying was palpable.”

Greenwald installed encryption software and began communicating with the
stranger. Their work was organized like an intelligence operation, with
Poitras as the mastermind. “Operational security — she dictated all of that,”
Greenwald said. “Which computers I used, how I communicated, how I
safeguarded the information, where copies were kept, with whom they were
kept, in which places. She has this complete expert level of understanding of
how to do a story like this with total technical and operational safety. None
of this would have happened with anything near the efficacy and impact it
did, had she not been working with me in every sense and really taking the
lead in coordinating most of it.”

Snowden began to provide documents to the two of them. Poitras wouldn’t tell
me when he began sending her documents; she does not want to provide the
government with information that could be used in a trial against Snowden or
herself. He also said he would soon be ready to meet them. When Poitras asked
if she should plan on driving to their meeting or taking a train, Snowden
told her to be ready to get on a plane.

In May, he sent encrypted messages telling the two of them to go to Hong
Kong. Greenwald flew to New York from Rio, and Poitras joined him for
meetings with the editor of The Guardian’s American edition. With the paper’s
reputation on the line, the editor asked them to bring along a veteran
Guardian reporter, Ewen MacAskill, and on June 1, the trio boarded a 16-hour
flight from J.F.K. to Hong Kong.

Snowden had sent a small number of documents to Greenwald, about 20 in all,
but Poitras had received a larger trove, which she hadn’t yet had the
opportunity to read closely. On the plane, Greenwald began going through its
contents, eventually coming across a secret court order requiring Verizon to
give its customer phone records to the N.S.A. The four-page order was from
the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, a panel whose decisions are
highly classified. Although it was rumored that the N.S.A. was collecting
large numbers of American phone records, the government always denied it.

Poitras, sitting 20 rows behind Greenwald, occasionally went forward to talk
about what he was reading. As the man sitting next to him slept, Greenwald
pointed to the FISA order on his screen and asked Poitras: “Have you seen
this? Is this saying what I’m thinking it’s saying?”

At times, they talked so animatedly that they disturbed passengers who were
trying to sleep; they quieted down. “We couldn’t believe just how momentous
this occasion was,” Greenwald said. “When you read these documents, you get a
sense of the breadth of them. It was a rush of adrenaline and ecstasy and
elation. You feel you are empowered for the first time because there’s this
mammoth system that you try and undermine and subvert and shine a light on —
but you usually can’t make any headway, because you don’t have any
instruments to do it — [and now] the instruments were suddenly in our lap.”

Snowden had instructed them that once they were in Hong Kong, they were to go
at an appointed time to the Kowloon district and stand outside a restaurant
that was in a mall connected to the Mira Hotel. There, they were to wait
until they saw a man carrying a Rubik’s Cube, then ask him when the
restaurant would open. The man would answer their question, but then warn
that the food was bad. When the man with the Rubik’s Cube arrived, it was
Edward Snowden, who was 29 at the time but looked even younger.

“Both of us almost fell over when we saw how young he was,” Poitras said,
still sounding surprised. “I had no idea. I assumed I was dealing with
somebody who was really high-level and therefore older. But I also knew from
our back and forth that he was incredibly knowledgeable about computer
systems, which put him younger in my mind. So I was thinking like 40s,
somebody who really grew up on computers but who had to be at a higher

In our encrypted chat, Snowden also remarked on this moment: “I think they
were annoyed that I was younger than they expected, and I was annoyed that
they had arrived too early, which complicated the initial verification. As
soon as we were behind closed doors, however, I think everyone was reassured
by the obsessive attention to precaution and bona fides.”

They followed Snowden to his room, where Poitras immediately shifted into
documentarian mode, taking her camera out. “It was a little bit tense, a
little uncomfortable,” Greenwald said of those initial minutes. “We sat down,
and we just started chatting, and Laura was immediately unpacking her camera.
The instant that she turned on the camera, I very vividly recall that both he
and I completely stiffened up.”

Greenwald began the questioning. “I wanted to test the consistency of his
claims, and I just wanted all the information I could get, given how much I
knew this was going to be affecting my credibility and everything else. We
weren’t really able to establish a human bond until after that five or six
hours was over.”

For Poitras, the camera certainly alters the human dynamic, but not in a bad
way. When someone consents to being filmed — even if the consent is
indirectly gained when she turns on the camera — this is an act of trust that
raises the emotional stakes of the moment. What Greenwald saw as stilted,
Poitras saw as a kind of bonding, the sharing of an immense risk. “There is
something really palpable and emotional in being trusted like that,” she

Snowden, though taken by surprise, got used to it. “As one might imagine,
normally spies allergically avoid contact with reporters or media, so I was a
virgin source — everything was a surprise. . . . But we all knew what was at
stake. The weight of the situation actually made it easier to focus on what
was in the public interest rather than our own. I think we all knew there was
no going back once she turned the camera on.”

For the next week, their preparations followed a similar pattern — when they
entered Snowden’s room, they would remove their cellphone batteries and place
them in the refrigerator of Snowden’s minibar. They lined pillows against the
door, to discourage eavesdropping from outside, then Poitras set up her
camera and filmed. It was important to Snowden to explain to them how the
government’s intelligence machinery worked because he feared that he could be
arrested at any time.

Greenwald’s first articles — including the initial one detailing the Verizon
order he read about on the flight to Hong Kong — appeared while they were
still in the process of interviewing Snowden. It made for a strange
experience, creating the news together, then watching it spread. “We could
see it being covered,” Poitras said. “We were all surprised at how much
attention it was getting. Our work was very focused, and we were paying
attention to that, but we could see on TV that it was taking off. We were in
this closed circle, and around us we knew that reverberations were happening,
and they could be seen and they could be felt.”

Snowden told them before they arrived in Hong Kong that he wanted to go
public. He wanted to take responsibility for what he was doing, Poitras said,
and he didn’t want others to be unfairly targeted, and he assumed he would be
identified at some point. She made a 12½-minute video of him that was posted
online June 9, a few days after Greenwald’s first articles. It triggered a
media circus in Hong Kong, as reporters scrambled to learn their whereabouts.

There were a number of subjects that Poitras declined to discuss with me on
the record and others she wouldn’t discuss at all — some for security and
legal reasons, others because she wants to be the first to tell crucial parts
of her story in her own documentary. Of her parting with Snowden once the
video was posted, she would only say, “We knew that once it went public, it
was the end of that period of working.”

Snowden checked out of his hotel and went into hiding. Reporters found out
where Poitras was staying — she and Greenwald were at different hotels — and
phone calls started coming to her room. At one point, someone knocked on her
door and asked for her by name. She knew by then that reporters had
discovered Greenwald, so she called hotel security and arranged to be
escorted out a back exit.

She tried to stay in Hong Kong, thinking Snowden might want to see her again,
and because she wanted to film the Chinese reaction to his disclosures. But
she had now become a figure of interest herself, not just a reporter behind
the camera. On June 15, as she was filming a pro-Snowden rally outside the
U.S. consulate, a CNN reporter spotted her and began asking questions.
Poitras declined to answer and slipped away. That evening, she left Hong

Poitras flew directly to Berlin, where the previous fall she rented an
apartment where she could edit her documentary without worrying that the
F.B.I. would show up with a search warrant for her hard drives. “There is a
filter constantly between the places where I feel I have privacy and don’t,”
she said, “and that line is becoming increasingly narrow.” She added: “I’m
not stopping what I’m doing, but I have left the country. I literally didn’t
feel like I could protect my material in the United States, and this was
before I was contacted by Snowden. If you promise someone you’re going to
protect them as a source and you know the government is monitoring you or
seizing your laptop, you can’t actually physically do it.”

After two weeks in Berlin, Poitras traveled to Rio, where I then met her and
Greenwald a few days later. My first stop was the Copacabana hotel, where
they were working that day with MacAskill and another visiting reporter from
The Guardian, James Ball. Poitras was putting together a new video about
Snowden that would be posted in a few days on The Guardian’s Web site.
Greenwald, with several Guardian reporters, was working on yet another
blockbuster article, this one about Microsoft’s close collaboration with the
N.S.A. The room was crowded — there weren’t enough chairs for everyone, so
someone was always sitting on the bed or floor. A number of thumb drives were
passed back and forth, though I was not told what was on them.

Poitras and Greenwald were worried about Snowden. They hadn’t heard from him
since Hong Kong. At the moment, he was stuck in diplomatic limbo in the
transit area of Moscow’s Sheremetyevo airport, the most-wanted man on the
planet, sought by the U.S. government for espionage. (He would later be
granted temporary asylum in Russia.) The video that Poitras was working on,
using footage she shot in Hong Kong, would be the first the world had seen of
Snowden in a month.

“Now that he’s incommunicado, we don’t know if we’ll even hear from him
again,” she said.

“Is he O.K.?” MacAskill asked.

“His lawyer said he’s O.K.,” Greenwald responded.

“But he’s not in direct contact with Snowden,” Poitras said

When Greenwald got home that evening, Snowden contacted him online. Two days
later, while she was working at Greenwald’s house, Poitras also heard from

It was dusk, and there was loud cawing and hooting coming from the jungle all
around. This was mixed with the yapping of five or six dogs as I let myself
in the front gate. Through a window, I saw Poitras in the living room,
intently working at one of her computers. I let myself in through a screen
door, and she glanced up for just a second, then went back to work,
completely unperturbed by the cacophony around her. After 10 minutes, she
closed the lid of her computer and mumbled an apology about needing to take
care of some things.

She showed no emotion and did not mention that she had been in the middle of
an encrypted chat with Snowden. At the time, I didn’t press her, but a few
days later, after I returned to New York and she returned to Berlin, I asked
if that’s what she was doing that evening. She confirmed it, but said she
didn’t want to talk about it at the time, because the more she talks about
her interactions with Snowden, the more removed she feels from them.

“It’s an incredible emotional experience,” she said, “to be contacted by a
complete stranger saying that he was going to risk his life to expose things
the public should know. He was putting his life on the line and trusting me
with that burden. My experience and relationship to that is something that I
want to retain an emotional relation to.” Her connection to him and the
material, she said, is what will guide her work. “I am sympathetic to what he
sees as the horror of the world [and] what he imagines could come. I want to
communicate that with as much resonance as possible. If I were to sit and do
endless cable interviews — all those things alienate me from what I need to
stay connected to. It’s not just a scoop. It’s someone’s life.”

Poitras and Greenwald are an especially dramatic example of what outsider
reporting looks like in 2013. They do not work in a newsroom, and they
personally want to be in control of what gets published and when. When The
Guardian didn’t move as quickly as they wanted with the first article on
Verizon, Greenwald discussed taking it elsewhere, sending an encrypted draft
to a colleague at another publication. He also considered creating a Web site
on which they would publish everything, which he planned to call
NSADisclosures. In the end, The Guardian moved ahead with their articles. But
Poitras and Greenwald have created their own publishing network as well,
placing articles with other outlets in Germany and Brazil and planning more
for the future. They have not shared the full set of documents with anyone.

“We are in partnership with news organizations, but we feel our primary
responsibility is to the risk the source took and to the public interest of
the information he has provided,” Poitras said. “Further down on the list
would be any particular news organization.”

Unlike many reporters at major news outlets, they do not attempt to maintain
a facade of political indifference. Greenwald has been outspoken for years;
on Twitter, he recently replied to one critic by writing: “You are a complete
idiot. You know that, right?” His left political views, combined with his
cutting style, have made him unloved among many in the political
establishment. His work with Poitras has been castigated as advocacy that
harms national security. “I read intelligence carefully,” said Senator Dianne
Feinstein, chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, shortly after the
first Snowden articles appeared. “I know that people are trying to get us. .
. . This is the reason the F.B.I. now has 10,000 people doing intelligence on
counterterrorism. . . . It’s to ferret this out before it happens. It’s
called protecting America.”

Poitras, while not nearly as confrontational as Greenwald, disagrees with the
suggestion that their work amounts to advocacy by partisan reporters. “Yes, I
have opinions,” she told me. “Do I think the surveillance state is out of
control? Yes, I do. This is scary, and people should be scared. A shadow and
secret government has grown and grown, all in the name of national security
and without the oversight or national debate that one would think a democracy
would have. It’s not advocacy. We have documents that substantiate it.”

Poitras possesses a new skill set that is particularly vital — and far from
the journalistic norm — in an era of pervasive government spying: she knows,
as well as any computer-security expert, how to protect against surveillance.
As Snowden mentioned, “In the wake of this year’s disclosure, it should be
clear that unencrypted journalist-source communication is unforgivably
reckless.” A new generation of sources, like Snowden or Pfc. Bradley Manning,
has access to not just a few secrets but thousands of them, because of their
ability to scrape classified networks. They do not necessarily live in and
operate through the established Washington networks — Snowden was in Hawaii,
and Manning sent hundreds of thousands of documents to WikiLeaks from a base
in Iraq. And they share their secrets not with the largest media outlets or
reporters but with the ones who share their political outlook and have the
know-how to receive the leaks undetected.

In our encrypted chat, Snowden explained why he went to Poitras with his
secrets: “Laura and Glenn are among the few who reported fearlessly on
controversial topics throughout this period, even in the face of withering
personal criticism, [which] resulted in Laura specifically becoming targeted
by the very programs involved in the recent disclosures. She had demonstrated
the courage, personal experience and skill needed to handle what is probably
the most dangerous assignment any journalist can be given — reporting on the
secret misdeeds of the most powerful government in the world — making her an
obvious choice.”

Snowden’s revelations are now the center of Poitras’s surveillance
documentary, but Poitras also finds herself in a strange, looking-glass
dynamic, because she cannot avoid being a character in her own film. She did
not appear in or narrate her previous films, and she says that probably won’t
change with this one, but she realizes that she has to be represented in some
way, and is struggling with how to do that.

She is also assessing her legal vulnerability. Poitras and Greenwald are not
facing any charges, at least not yet. They do not plan to stay away from
America forever, but they have no immediate plans to return. One member of
Congress has already likened what they’ve done to a form of treason, and they
are well aware of the Obama administration’s unprecedented pursuit of not
just leakers but of journalists who receive the leaks. While I was with them,
they talked about the possibility of returning. Greenwald said that the
government would be unwise to arrest them, because of the bad publicity it
would create. It also wouldn’t stop the flow of information.

He mentioned this while we were in a taxi heading back to his house. It was
dark outside, the end of a long day. Greenwald asked Poitras, “Since it all
began, have you had a non-N.S.A. day?”

“What’s that?” she replied.

“I think we need one,” Greenwald said. “Not that we’re going to take one.”

Poitras talked about getting back to yoga again. Greenwald said he was going
to resume playing tennis regularly. “I’m willing to get old for this thing,”
he said, “but I’m not willing to get fat.”

Their discussion turned to the question of coming back to the United States.
Greenwald said, half-jokingly, that if he was arrested, WikiLeaks would
become the new traffic cop for publishing N.S.A. documents. “I would just
say: ‘O.K., let me introduce you to my friend Julian Assange, who’s going to
take my place. Have fun dealing with him.’ ”

Poitras prodded him: “So you’re going back to the States?”

He laughed and pointed out that unfortunately, the government does not always
take the smartest course of action. “If they were smart,” he said, “I would
do it.”

Poitras smiled, even though it’s a difficult subject for her. She is not as
expansive or carefree as Greenwald, which adds to their odd-couple chemistry.
She is concerned about their physical safety. She is also, of course, worried
about surveillance. “Geolocation is the thing,” she said. “I want to keep as
much off the grid as I can. I’m not going to make it easy for them. If they
want to follow me, they are going to have to do that. I am not going to ping
into any G.P.S. My location matters to me. It matters to me in a new way that
I didn’t feel before.”

There are lots of people angry with them and lots of governments, as well as
private entities, that would not mind taking possession of the thousands of
N.S.A. documents they still control. They have published only a handful — a
top-secret, headline-grabbing, Congressional-hearing-inciting handful — and
seem unlikely to publish everything, in the style of WikiLeaks. They are
holding onto more secrets than they are exposing, at least for now.

“We have this window into this world, and we’re still trying to understand
it,” Poitras said in one of our last conversations. “We’re not trying to keep
it a secret, but piece the puzzle together. That’s a project that is going to
take time. Our intention is to release what’s in the public interest but also
to try to get a handle on what this world is, and then try to communicate

The deepest paradox, of course, is that their effort to understand and expose
government surveillance may have condemned them to a lifetime of it.

“Our lives will never be the same,” Poitras said. “I don’t know if I’ll ever
be able to live someplace and feel like I have my privacy. That might be just
completely gone.”

Peter Maass is an investigative reporter working on a book about surveillance
and privacy.

Editor: Joel Lovell

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