[FoRK] Dunning-Kruger effect discriminatory environs

Stephen Williams sdw at lig.net
Thu Feb 27 17:17:15 PST 2014


On 2/27/14 1:49 PM, Bill Kearney wrote:
>> Some friends who are ex-Microsoft indicate a severe problem there, at least at certain levels.
>
> It seems to me any time an organization exceeds a certain size (in personnel) and loses visibility of individuals driving the 
> effort(s) you have trouble.  I've no inside line, but MS in the past was classic for 'resting and vesting' problems, and those 
> seemed to plague an awful lot of really cool ideas... that died.
>
> Some parts of MS have had visible people but that only extended to a very narrow audience.  Apple had Jobs (but there's a 
> whole other set of factors involved there) and Google, well, has it's search engine sort of as it's 'visible persona'.    But 
> there wasn't really any one personality presented by Microsoft.  And letting Ballmer out in public, well, I still need brain 
> bleach to get some of his antics out of my mind.  No compelling 'personality' sort of leaves your followers adrift.
>
> And when you have layers of corporate management involved, and no visibility, you get even more nonsense.
>
> So I don't think the DK effect is directly applicable, at least not in a broad way.  I'm sure there's plenty of individual 
> examples, but there's probably some other syndrome that would more applicable.

Heh, "Don't be a DK."  I'm going to use that, even if I have to stretch things a bit.

You're probably right that there are a number issues going on. Although I think Ballmer is at least partly a DK.

>
> My two cents is with recent news regarding the demise of technet and actionpack (two terrific 'nearly free' ways to obtain 
> fully functional eval product) there's more bad times coming for MS. Flailing around pretending your partners are profitable 
> low hanging fruit just doesn't seem very smart. Sure, the programs saw their share of abuse.  But they made it a no-brainer 
> for people to stand up all kinds of demo scenarios without spending much (or anything).  No doubt some bean counter dreamt up 
> some numbers justifying it. Very likely failing to appreciate (or even grasp the concept of) the brand loyalty it helped 
> maintain.  After all, if the software's essentially 'free' to your supplier personnel, what better way to keep them using it 
> (and, in turn selling it to others).  No, let's soak them for it too!  Yeah, well, people put up with all sorts of shenanigans 
> when you're giving them something 'free'.  Start charging them and they'll start shopping for a new set of assholes to 
> mistreat them...
>
> -Bill 


sdw



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