[FoRK] New Benefits of Marriage Study Actually Hints at the Horrors of Middle Age

Stephen D. Williams sdw at lig.net
Fri Jan 23 09:19:17 PST 2015

Yes, YOU would teach them those things.  But their parents weren't not taught effectively and they're incapable of teaching it in 
any effective way.  So how do you expect it to happen?

I have been teaching those things for a long time to many children of mine and others.  Sometimes it takes, sometimes it doesn't. 
When it doesn't, and parenting through grandparenting isn't an option, I am not happy when there is no force, other than the shear 
wall of the cliff of the cold hard market, to push them in the right direction.  And little to prevent them from poorly teaching 
those things to my grandchildren.

Our society has the opportunity for extremely high economic mobility.  But it is not extremely high in practice.  Even children with 
complete support fall down in predictably high numbers.  Once you've given up on serious education, had children, ruined your 
credit, gained a few bad habits, and still haven't figured out relationships very well, little nudges aren't going to have any real 
effect.  If it were just adults involved, getting by and maybe being happy on the minimum, maybe that would be fair and OK.  But we 
shouldn't as a society fail to try to educate all children well enough that they have a good knowledge of and a fair chance at a 
successful path.

We have to find a way to guide or assist or otherwise prevent failure by wayward parents while not destroying what would inevitably 
be called the Sanctity of Family.


On 1/23/15 8:36 AM, Gregory Alan Bolcer wrote:
> If I truly cared about other's people's children, which I do, then I would teach them personal responsibility, problem solving, a 
> strong work ethic, and personal entrepreneurship instead of teaching them to rely on free stuff at the whim of others.
> Luckily we live in a society, even at the lowest rungs of the economic scale, that has extremely high economic mobility.
> That's called teaching people to fish.
> Greg
> On 1/23/2015 8:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>> Whether that is a problem that you think needs addressed depends on
>> whether you think the world is strictly competitive, whether you feel
>> indirectly enriched or diminished by it, and similar philosophical
>> motivations.  We'll take it as a given that you care for your own
>> children and family.  Do you care about other people's children and
>> people in general as an extended family?  Do you feel any responsibility
>> to them?  Even if we have a lot of resources, we may feel helpless or
>> expect waste in trying to help, or feel that other pursuits may have
>> better society payback.  But we should consider it.  And, sometimes, the
>> right small pushes can make a huge difference.  Sometimes it is just the
>> right ideas in the right places that make a difference.

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