[FoRK] New Benefits of Marriage Study Actually Hints at the Horrors of Middle Age

Stephen D. Williams sdw at lig.net
Fri Jan 23 09:22:48 PST 2015

Not training them at all is less compassionate.

I agree with avoiding co-dependency.  The problem is that the general gist of conservative argument is that any training / help is 
necessarily co-dependent.  That seems like a poverty of imagination.  You can engineer around such pitfalls if you are really trying 
to solve the problem in a fully perceptive way.  The net result is the distinct impression that conservatives don't want to solve 
the problem.  We all wonder if they like things the way they are and somehow feel they are benefiting.


On 1/23/15 9:10 AM, Gregory Alan Bolcer wrote:
> Okay, fair point.
> My original argument stands.  Training people to be co-dependent is not compassionate.
> Greg
> On 1/23/2015 8:48 AM, Owen Byrne wrote:
>> I thought you lived in the US.
>> "At least five large studies in recent years have found the United States
>> to be less mobile than comparable nations. A project led by Markus Jantti,
>> an economist at a Swedish university, found that 42 percent of American men
>> raised in the bottom fifth of incomes stay there as adults. That shows a
>> level of persistent disadvantage much higher than in Denmark (25 percent)
>> and Britain (30 percent) — a country famous for its class constraints.[19]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socio-economic_mobility_in_the_United_States#cite_note-19>
>> Meanwhile, just 8 percent of American men at the bottom rose to the top
>> fifth. That compares with 12 percent of the British and 14 percent of the
>> Danes.
>> Despite frequent references to the United States as a classless society,
>> about 62 percent of Americans (male and female) raised in the top fifth of
>> incomes stay in the top two-fifths, according to research by the Economic
>> Mobility Project of the Pew Charitable Trusts. Similarly, 65 percent born
>> in the bottom fifth stay in the bottom two-fifths."
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socio-economic_mobility_in_the_United_States

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