[FoRK] Quarters needed for Apple to put Microsoft out of our misery?
Stephen D. Williams
sdw at lig.net
Fri Jan 30 13:57:09 PST 2015
During an idle moment, I looked for Microsoft cloud architecture details:
On 1/30/15 1:25 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
> On 1/30/15 1:04 PM, J. Andrew Rogers wrote:
>>> On Jan 30, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Stephen D. Williams <sdw at lig.net> wrote:
>>> On 1/30/15 10:34 AM, J. Andrew Rogers wrote:
>>>> […odd anti-Microsoft screed elided…]
>>> An unusually blunt pro-consumer screed I think.
>> Microsoft’s business is about the enterprise, not the consumer. Apple and Google are about the consumer, not the enterprise. Both
>> Microsoft and Google desperately wanted to be in each others’ core business, but neither have the DNA to do it well. Microsoft
>> accepted and reoriented around this reality a few years ago even though they have significant business units that are consumer
>> While Microsoft are late to the game, they do not have a lot of competition in their core market which has bought them time.
> That's mostly fair, although there's little reason for most apps to be anything other than browser / Linux server based web apps.
> It seems like the cat's out of the bag in those areas. There is a radical divergence between traditional enterprise technology
> and modern enterprise technology, as exemplified by choices startups make. Google, Amazon, IBM, and others and to a lesser extent
> Apple have proven the new models, and made them highly available. Maybe Microsoft can battle on an equal footing at some point,
> but at the moment it seems they are mainly benefiting from market momentum mainframe style. Mostly I see debacles like
> Sharepoint: It brought in piles of cash while providing quite a mess, powering a whole industry to try to make it usable. The
> complexities of programming for it are a perfect illustration.
>>> You mean running Linux containers on Azure, which wasn't what I was talking about, or running apps in containers in Windows? I
>>> haven't heard they solved the latter, but it is overdue.
>> Why you would care about containers on Windows? You just spent words disparaging the idea that anyone would want to run anything
>> but Linux servers. In fact, Microsoft has been building out support to seamlessly blend Linux and Windows server infrastructures
>> and services.
> For servers, there's little competition for Linux. For the desktop, where a lot of constant pain happens, containers would be one
> way for Windows to harden enough to be acceptable. It is such a messy situation that may not happen.
>> My impression is that Microsoft no longer views the Windows operating system as any kind of long-term strategic cornerstone. It
>> will generate revenue for a long time, and some very popular enterprise software runs well there, but it could fade into the
>> sunset over the long-term and that would be fine. They are building a new, higher-level cloud-centric operating system for the
>> enterprise market; the nature of the client devices are no longer their concern, they will eventually integrate seamlessly with
>> all of them. There will be a lot of Linux under all of that.
> It does seem that they are thinking along those lines. Viability is about whether they can actually divorce themselves of the
> idea & practicallity of Windows centricity in time. When I can install interesting packages with Ubuntu or MacPorts or at least
> the App Store, they may start to be a player.
>>> True, some parts are great. Compilers, Visual Studio for the most part. Can I run those on OS X or Linux? Can I develop a
>>> Qt/C++ app for Android?
>> How is this even relevant? Ignoring that major parts of Microsoft's compiler tool chain have been or are in the process of being
>> open sourced and ported to Linux + OS X, of course. Visual Studio and Xcode are designed for a significantly disjoint set of
>> programming languages, so I am not even sure what portable IDEs would buy you.
> C++ is the common core language. Although the trend is for IDEs to support multiple languages well. .Net / C# are being open
> sourced more completely, but practically nobody cares. It is way too late.
>> My point had nothing to do with GUIs for compilers. Most of the interesting things are happening on the server side.
> Such as? What might I consider integrating into a modern, scalable, efficient web app framework for both local and public cloud use?
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