[FoRK] Quarters needed for Apple to put Microsoft out of our misery?

Stephen D. Williams sdw at lig.net
Fri Jan 30 16:55:48 PST 2015

I feel that I'm going to value that post in years to come.

In this thread, people have agreed that Microsoft begun to cede the desktop (as being unimportant, moving away from toward browsers, 
probably not going to be fully fixed), mobile (at least implicitly), and app and scalable services servers (where Linux has won).  
Microsoft has cool gadgets and some serious server side large data / compute services that are cutting edge which are apparently 
important to some types of apps.  Much of the rest is expected to be available cross-platform, but is currently not much.

When I look at the market for the best overall solutions for enterprise systems, except with respect to companies with A) Microsoft 
momentum and culture who can't change or B) those who need a commercial application only available on Windows, I don't see any kind 
of a competitive challenge to a local, hybrid, or public open source cloud stack.  The reasons to move to these technologies are 
numerous: financially, technically, enterprise architecture wise (scalability, maintainability, etc.), flexibility, avoiding vendor 
lock-in, ability to evolve quickly, etc.

Is that the techno-babble you speak of?

It is pointless to argue about exactly where the current market is.  Too complicated, too many things happening in ways that aren't 
measurable or comparable.  (Does Microsoft have 90%, 70%, or 15-20% of the computing market in operating systems?)  Better to 
consider what the right choice would be given a blank slate, tight constraints, a clear view of historical trends, and fearless 
technologists (who can learn something new if it is better).  I think it most cases I could prove that a Microsoft solution is not 

Anyway, this is all far afield of the original point.

Some links anyway:

According to Microsoft:
Funny: Click on "75% of server operating systems are Windows Server.  Source: Microsoft." Click on that, and you get "Oops! That 
page can't be found."


On 1/30/15 3:23 PM, Bill Kearney wrote:
> Dude, no amount of techno-babble is going to buy your way out of the wrong-headed hole you've dug (still digging) for yourself.
> Let it go.
> -----Original Message----- From: Stephen D. Williams
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 6:00 PM
> To: Friends of Rohit Khare
> Subject: Re: [FoRK] Quarters needed for Apple to put Microsoft out of our misery?
> They definitely are not.  Their server side aspirations never went anywhere other than opaque services. Presumably they have cloudy
> Linux religion there like everyone but Microsoft.  It's just that they're the first who could buy Microsoft and would, simply by
> having the right processes and culture, do something interesting once having done so.
> Google would probably make the best overall moves.  Amazon would be more logical due to location and existing cross-pollination,
> however I think the result might sink because of a critical mass of people too-steeped in Microsoft culture.  And it seems that
> Amazon's culture isn't totally effective either.
> I don't think of it as "consumerifcation of enterprise", that really is about end-user devices and maybe end-user oriented services,
> like Gmail, that are good enough for enterprise use. The Internet itself and related services like email evolved in just that way.
> I have an article from a major computing magazine from 20 years ago insisting that Internet email could never be used by business at
> all, only X.400 from GE or similar would do. (Yet another shill article it seems, or at least seriously myopic even then.)
> Overall, it is more like "Linuxification / Internetification / modularization of enterprise."  This is the grand benefit of object
> oriented design and software componentization, only in a slightly different form.  The "Grand Unified Refactored Enterprise."  GURE?
> sdw 

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