[FoRK] geopolitics of low oil prices

Joseph S. Barrera III joe at barrera.org
Tue Jan 12 16:26:00 PST 2016

And what do we do with the excess bodies on this planet? Sounds like a

And uploading is a non-starter. The uploaded is not you. If you're happy
with a copy of yourself existing, then sure, fine. If I've about to die, I
don't really care if someone creates a copy of me. My copy will be
thrilled, I guess. (Simple thought experiments: (1) someone creates a copy
of you when you are still alive. (2) someone creates 10 copies of you.)

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Stephen D. Williams <sdw at lig.net> wrote:

> There will be a line.  If you make it to that line in reasonable shape, it
> will be possible to start leaping ahead, or rather leaping back in terms of
> body age. Whether that happens much, how much it costs, who is allowed or
> tries to stop it (religio-freakout driven geri-terrorists (geri-terries?),
> of course), what the early adopter downsides are, how philosophy /
> psychology / economics evolve to handle it, all of that is up in the air.
> Medically, it is already happening.
> The line's a come'n.  Be ready to make a break for it boys and girls.
> Start your training here:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Fire_%28novel%29
> Are you bright green?
> And that's before we even consider uploading to wet or dry hardware, which
> seems more likely than ever.  Unless we seriously devalue individuals in
> some sense, which also might happen. Perhaps you only get to upload as a
> collective, Borg-style, when you assemble enough critical mass of value,
> experience, etc. What's your denom?  (A denom of 1, i.e. 1/1, means you get
> to upload with full integrity.  A denom of 10 means you get 1/10th of an
> upload presence.)
> sdw
> On 1/12/16 3:10 PM, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote:
>> Just saying that I have no expectations of living to 200.
>> (And if I did, shit, I'll have to work until I'm 140 to be able to
>> retire...)
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Stephen D. Williams <sdw at lig.net> wrote:
>> On 1/12/16 2:18 PM, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Stephen D. Williams <sdw at lig.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> We're going to be living in magical worlds
>>>> ​"We", but not us.
>>>> Many of us are within a few miles of the epicenters of magical devices,
>>> self-driving cars, voice recognition, image and object recognition,
>>> concept
>>> encyclopedias being coupled to deep learning, and all the money anyone
>>> would need to make it all happen...
>>> We're close to a time when a summer of code project could edit a genome
>>> to
>>> create a new animal or store data or make an enhancement using CRISPR for
>>> $100.  Send a message to all of your progeny by editing in a GenomeCode
>>> in
>>> part of your unused DNA!  Show stripes on your skin whenever you are on
>>> an
>>> odd milli-lay line (requires the GenomePS module and service).  Create
>>> glowing saliva, but only when you kiss your betrothed!  What will you
>>> think
>>> of?  (For your safety, all DNA sequences reset at the end of the
>>> project.)
>>> The magic is out there.  It's just not yet evenly distributed.
>>> Of course, as always, one cycle's magic is the next cycle's ho hum
>>> standard engineering techniques.  Like AI (AGI really), it's only magic
>>> when we don't know how to do it yet.
>>> sdw
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