[FoRK] old favorites

Gregory Alan Bolcer greg at bolcer.org
Fri Dec 16 16:17:00 PST 2016

Luckily enough I think most people use multiple sources of news.  I 
think the main complaint is the fake stuff skews the line. In fact, in 
social media, most people understand that they are sharing fake news, 
but they (90%) forward it anyways for "what if it was true" and "we 
don't trust X enough that it might actually be true" and "I wish someone 
would look into if this is true".

I think it's a benefit of social media and just part of the process of 
working stuff out.  Reddit truth squads are better journalists 
fact-checkers than anything that the mass media can product. It works 
itself out.  Few remember that without Little Green Footballs, the 
Killian documents would never have been debunked.  [1]

Facebook should buy Reddit for whatever they can pay for it.  Snopes is 
okay, but they end up answering the wrong question sometimes--seemingly 


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy

On 12/16/2016 4:02 PM, Ken Meltsner wrote:
> No, I'm just hoping that when it becomes a form of performance art,
> that will kill it for most people.
> Right now, way too many people believe way too much that they read for
> no other reason than they read it somewhere that they think is
> reliable.
> We're stuck in the uncomfortable period between "they couldn't say it
> if it wasn't true" era where you have to repeat the lies enough to get
> them into reputable media (e.g. Swiftboating) and the "I have to check
> Snopes, etc. before I share that item" era where we treat the front
> page the way most people treat the 10-day weather forecast.
> Ken
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Stephen D. Williams <sdw at lig.net> wrote:
>> I can see that in the sense that we all laugh about it and nobody takes it seriously, or at least the ones who do are a tiny
>> minority and we can all laugh at them until they start grasping reality better.
>> Like new age crystal gaia mumbo jumbo: Harmless, mildly entertaining in small doses, doesn't hurt anybody measurably.  An
>> adolescentish phase to grow out of.
>> I like to think there are a lot of things that people feign believing for various performance-arty reasons, or at least I hope
>> that's the case because the alternative is too depressing.
>> sdw
>> On 12/16/16 3:16 PM, Ken Meltsner wrote:
>>> Peak Fake will be when it is acknowledged as a form of performance
>>> art.  (idea stolen from The Jazz by Melissa Scott)
>>> Ken Meltsner
>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Stephen D. Williams <sdw at lig.net> wrote:
>>>> On 12/15/16 4:28 PM, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Gregory Alan Bolcer <greg at bolcer.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> We have a great example of such news this week in the Yahoo one billion
>>>>>> account hack. Sure, it’s all over the web but it happened in 2013. Are we
>>>>>> really supposed to believe that one billion user records were stolen from
>>>>>> Yahoo and it took three years for somebody to notice???
>>>>> Snark overheard at Google: "Are we really supposed to believe that Yahoo
>>>>> has one billion accounts?"
>>>> Maybe they were mostly fake robo-hotties on all of those fake dating sites.
>>>> We are in the Age Of Fake within the Internet Age right now.  When do you predict we will or have reached Peak Fake?  Hopefully it
>>>> was 2016 and this election, but we'll see.  <snark held>
>>>> sdw
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