[FoRK] Harley & Google's battle of the sexes

Stephen D. Williams sdw at lig.net
Thu Aug 10 09:35:22 PDT 2017

There are plenty of situations where natural differences, inclinations, or preferences affect statistics in ways that can't or 
shouldn't be fixed.  At least not in a forced way.  It would be interesting to know the history around and any decisions to 
encourage male nurses.

There are biases in various places and those biases are not always accurate and in the best interests of companies, managers, 
stockholders, and the public in general.  It can be hard to be sure what they are and how to get closer to reality (biases that 
accurately map to future experience for legitimate reasons).  In some cases, self-fulfilling biases should be interrupted and fixed 
for obvious reasons.

If you don't think a company has biases, then implementing blind auditions and similar shouldn't make any difference to your hiring 
statistics and later success.  Experience in this direction, so far, seems to show unfounded biases that need addressing.  There are 
many confounding factors however.


Where have I seen that before?


On 8/10/17 8:31 AM, Bill Kearney wrote:
> Twain would no doubt recollect:
> "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
> and
> "Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please."
> There's certainly going to be situations where the numbers alone don't tell
> the whole story, as might apply regarding motorcycles.   I'd imagine any
> number of activities popular among any particular gender or culture could be
> twisted as such.  Anything taken out of context (or whose context is very
> deviously narrowed) could certainly be wielded as a club.
> Whenever I'm confronted by the screeching SJW type I fall back on the "what
> specifically would you do?" response.  Because, honestly, if I'm already the
> white guy enjoying the spoils of privilege then clearly I don't have any
> answers for them.  Better to let them explain what specifically they want
> and how they'd go about making that happen.  This following the "give them
> enough rope and they'll hang themselves" line of reasoning.  There's
> certainly a lot of sympathetic resonance to a lot of their arguments.  But
> they often fall apart in the face of the reality that life is hard and not
> everyone's efforts to keep their own heads above the water are bias-based.
> Does this mean the status quo should be maintained?  I wouldn't say so.  But
> then I'm on the "favored side" so what do I know?
> -----Original Message-----
> So do the statistics lie?

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