Re: Survey on the evolution of RSS

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From: Dave Winer (
Date: Tue Sep 05 2000 - 10:39:23 PDT

Dan, imho, the canonical form is RSS 0.91. Start there, and add the best of
the elements NS-RDF thread comes up with and add that to the baseline spec,
and call it 0.92, and then let's write it up in clear end-user level docs.
No colons. No RDF.

Then six months later, do the same thing, call it 0.93. Create the
expectation of movement. Train the content people, slowly, to expect new
stuff on a periodic basis, with plenty of time to digest it and a common set
of tools that get updated without breakage.

The mistake we've been making collectively is no movement, and then an
overwhelming amount of movement. No one can digest that much unless they
stop everything they're doing, which is basically what I've done for the
last few weeks, at great expense to my company and its development process.
No user is going to do that for us.

And if we're going to work as a community we must have TRUST. The sneaky way
"RSS 1.0" was done destroyed all trust in this community as far as I'm
concerned. Now to rebuild it let's have a backdown, and re-introduce
ourselves and then a roadmap.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Brickley" <>
To: "Dave Winer" <>
Cc: "Gerald Oskoboiny" <>; "Gregory Alan Bolcer"
<>; "foRK" <>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Survey on the evolution of RSS

> On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Dave Winer wrote:
> > [...] I want to make end-user level syndication formats that are
> > transparently simple. Formats like RSS."
> What do you think of the idea that we use a (profile of) XHTML,
> augmented in places with CLASS=item CLASS=channel etc tags? Then XSLT
> (or Perl etc) convertors could extract RSS flavours, scripting news etc
> such HTML. Advantage to webmasters being that they simply maintain an
> HTML 'latest news' page, with automation of various kinds following from
> that.
> HTML has provide itself simple enough to be adopted across the Web, and
> has a variety of authoring, conversion, indexing etc tools. I'm worried
> that RSS as a standalone format risks going head-to-head with (to
> pick one of several examples) WAP/WML site summaries...
> Dan

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