Re: IBM 76.8Gb ultra dma/100 hard drive at Fry's for $375...

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From: Stephen D. Williams (
Date: Thu Dec 28 2000 - 18:43:47 PST

BTW, I bought 7 81.9GB Maxtor drives a month or so ago for less than $300
each. This is a good deal for IBM drives however since they are usually much

I'm building a nice turnkey small-business server with 82GB in raid 1 hardware
with a spare drive on hand, 30GB SCSI tape, Linux, Win2K in VMWare (to run
this one accounting app), autofeed HP scanner with USB support and simple
document management, NAT, proxy, firewall, ssh remote access, printing, file
server, web based CDR, web based scanning, security camera, and remote
disaster recovery to an identical server. I'll probably make a product out of
it if I can make it slick enough as a part-time project.

My mother runs a tax accounting business with about 1400 customers in Honolulu
and she keeps losing hard drives and systems, sometimes to hardware failures
and sometimes to Win98 disasters.

"Meltsner, Kenneth" wrote:
> Gosh! 2 cents per MB vs 0.5 -- the NAS box did throw in an embedded computer, a case, a bit of software, etc. Still, it's likely that 20K$/terabyte will be 10K$ in a few months.
> I had an acquaintance once that saved every one of his mail messages. At the time, I thought it was ridiculous that he was keeping over 10 MB worth of email. These days, I think my inbox is > 10 MB.

I have close to 2GB of email from the last 12 years or so. I have a chunk
before that that is irretrievably lost in crypto (via cfs).

I use Imap, and a RIM (aka CrackBerry), so I keep my inbox small with about 50
filters on the server.

> And I think we're already at the point where you can simply cache (forever) every Web page, every graphic, etc. that you view, if only browsers could index n GB caches.
> It might be a good idea to do this at the departmental proxy level, for example. We made this argument as part of a proposal for Web-based engineering databases. It made a lot of sense to keep track of the Web pages that supplied the data for a mechanical component. With a little bit of effort, we figured we could even track down the users of data that was superceded by later data or standards.

Sounds cool

> Ken
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Rifkin []
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 1:54 PM
> To: FoRK@XeNT.CoM
> Subject: RE: IBM 76.8Gb ultra dma/100 hard drive at Fry's for $375...
> I wrote:
> > I repeat, IBM 76.8Gb ultra dma/100 hard drive at Fry's for $375...
> > "home of fast, friendly courteous service! (R)"
> > I kid you not. That's a half a cent a Megabyte for storage.
> > Not El Cheapo storage but top of the line storage.
> Ken wrote:
> > I thought the kidding comment was about Fry's "fast, friendly courteous
> > service" until I read it a second time.
> Actually, I can't believe Fry's changed its slogan to that either.
> Rohit pointed it out to me at the bottom of the advertisement.
> > I saw a terabyte NAS box for $20K -- a price that blew me away. When
> > I was a junior tape carrier and flunkie at LBL in 1978, I believe our
> > entire tape library held about a terabyte, kept a couple of operators
> > hopping around mounting tapes, etc.
> $20K for a Terabyte is still 2 cents a Megabyte. Assume Fry's is using
> the IBM drive as a loss leader, selling it at cost at a half cent per
> Megabyte. That means the NAS suppliers are charging four times the
> wholesale price of storage for their "value add". That can't possibly last.
> More importantly, with my measly 6 Gig disk on my laptop I have to keep
> rotating through MP3 collections. With a 6 Ter disk on my laptop I'll
> be able to keep every song I've ever heard, right? (Of course, at that
> point I'll start collecting movies and TV shows, no doubt. Can you
> imagine a Napster where we're swapping Seinfeld episodes?)
> But this gets to a bigger issue: the world of always-on broadband. In
> that world, the only stuff I need locally is my cache (e.g., the stuff
> I'm most likely to use next). Having big honking amounts of data that
> live "out there" should become dirt-cheap once the costs of hosting and
> storage have become completely commoditized to the point where they cost
> practically nothing.
> Rohit says that someone's going to earn a PhD applying to RAID storage
> the Consistent Hash mathematics:
> Hey, maybe Caltech will let me come back and finish my degree. :)
> ----
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> --

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