From: Gregory Alan Bolcer (email@example.com)
Date: Thu May 18 2000 - 07:59:08 PDT
Wow, talk about list convergence: FoRK, dist-obj, xml-dist-app.
So here's a messaging requirement--
know when lists converge. I want a KnowNow event that can assert and retract a
fact that I can check against and see how much I trust who's asserting it.
Wouldn't it be funny if the Web evolved into a big prolog engine instead
of a distributed object system like everyone wants it to?
> Dave definitely misquoted me. I told him that we have allocated an engineer
> to work on an Apache open source implementation of SOAP (we've heard that IBM
> is submitting one). We are not submitting a SOAP "server".
> >Boy, there's just far too many factual errors in Dave's post to go into in
> >detail now.
> >There is most definitely concensus within Sun on a SOAP position, and I
> >don't see how Michael's comments on the panel or on the xml-dist-app list
> >contradict it.
> >The latest public comment, AFAIK, can be found here;
> >>From: Adam Rifkin -4K <adam@XeNT.ics.uci.edu>
> >>To: FoRK@XeNT.CoM
> >>Subject: [Winer] Sun & SOAP: Yes or no?
> >>Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:57:45 -0700 (PDT)
> >>\me is still watching and waiting for an official announcement from Sun...
> >>and apparently I'm not the only one.
> >> > http://www.scripting.com/
> >> > Wednesday, May 17, 2000
> >> >
> >> > After talking with Michael Condry on Tuesday, I held no hope for Sun
> >> > supporting SOAP any time in the near future. I said so on Scripting
> >> > News. My hopes have been bobbing up and down in the last few days.
> >> > Before Wednesday's shakedown session, while talking with a key
> >> > technologist at Iona, up comes Anne Thomas Manes, Sun's director of
> >> > business strategy. She told a story quite different from Condry's, and
> >> > in-line with what Baker said on Monday.
> >> >
> >> > She wrote a letter, that I have not seen published, but I assume will be
> >> > shortly, saying that Sun has a full-time engineer working on SOAP and
> >> > will make a submission to the Apache Group of a SOAP 1.1 server. I asked
> >> > if she would say so at the shakedown session, she said yes. I didn't
> >> > call on her because Sun was already represented on the panel by Condry,
> >> > who was making more sympathetic sounds than I expected, based on
> >> > yesterday's conversation, but his comments were nowhere near as positive
> >> > and decisive as Manes. I wanted to save Sun the possible embarassment,
> >> > and SOAP the confusion, of a public dispute between two Sun execs.
> >> >
> >> > I'm confused. I've had the hiearchy explained to me. Baker works for
> >> > Condry, but I'm not sure if Condry works for Manes. After the session,
> >> > on the xml-dist-apps mail list, Condry posted several near-flames about
> >> > SOAP. What is going on?? Either there's major news, or indecision at
> >> > Sun. A clear statement of support by Sun of SOAP would be the last major
> >> > milestone before quick deployment of early SOAP-compliant Web apps, the
> >> > spell checker and jit-se.
> >> >
> >> > It's clear that even without Sun's involvement, there is excellent
> >> > support for Java coming from IBM. But Sun's involvement in the
> >> > development and deployment process would be awesome.
> >>All that said, let me be clear: I screwed up. I should have had three
> >>marketing and sales managers in my back pocket and I should have had the
> >>nerve to say no [to our CEO candidate]. I should have had the courage
> >>of my convictions and bet that in another two months, once we had
> >>started announcing ourselves to the world, we could get anybody we wanted.
> >> -- Charles Ferguson, _High Stakes, No Prisoners_, p. 169
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> Anne Thomas Manes
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