From: Dave Winer (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Wed Aug 23 2000 - 06:11:48 PDT
Both are used to create websites with easy browser-based interfaces.
We actually held back features to keep from competing directly with Blogger.
They're popular, there's cross-over in our user bases, and we want to work
collaboratively with them, we want to see them succeed, because the market
needs more than one player if there are going to be standards on how these
That's true in almost everything that we do, btw, we invest in our
competition, and we'll continue to do so, because it's the right thing to
do. For every one of these events, there are a hundred others where the
trust is rewarded. I wish people would realize that we have more to
accomplish by working with each other instead of trying to "beat" someone
About Radio UserLand and Linux, I don't know. It'll be a fairly big job. But
the Mozilla guys are going after us, with our blessing, and they run on
----- Original Message -----
From: "Strata Rose Chalup" <email@example.com>
To: "Dave Winer" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Cc: "foRK" <email@example.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: O'Reilly, again
> I'm sorry to hear that you're feeling bad.
> Can you shed some light on why Manila and Blogger should be considered
> "competitors"? I have looked at, and registered with, both blogger.com
> and userland.com, and the two services look very different to me.
> Manila/Userland seems to be all about hosting a special kind of site at
> a provider, via cgi's running on their site. Blogger is a little
> scripty thing that I can use to update a special page on my own site,
> via a cgi that they run on their site. One is for an all-inclusive
> environment where you are going to edit everything within a space and
> host it there. The other is an add-on to one particular page/pageset of
> a space, hosted anywhere.
> What don't I understand about the vision for Manila, the vision for
> Blogger, and where they might intersect?
> PS- I want to try radio userland, but I am on a linux box most of the
> time...when will *we* get to play with these toys?
> Dave Winer wrote:
> > This evening I learned that O'Reilly invested in Pyra, who makes
> > which competes head-on with Manila. While we were working with O'Reilly,
> > times very intensely, and always for free, they were betting on our
> > competitor. Needless to say this should have been disclosed. I have a
> > sick feeling in my stomach this evening, this hurts so much you can't
> > believe. BTW, O'Reilly is a much bigger company than UserLand. I feel so
> > damned used. Dave
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